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  • Why Harmony Central?

    Please check out this article for this week's Dear Musician. We'd love your feedback and input:

    http://www.harmonycentral.com/articl...armony-central

    Keeping the Harmony at Harmony Central

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    This is the place on the Internet if you want to be met with respect, no matter what your level of expertise is. At HC everyone seem to realize that you can take yet another step and you never know where that is taking you or what you need to get there. So in the spirit of "what goes around, comes around", everyone is sharing their knowledge when I ask something.

    Thanks to all!

    Cheers,

    Mats N
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    BT King - all my backing tracks can be found at :
    http://nermark.articulateimages.com

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    • #3
      Not to be a smart-ass, but I'm here because I've been participating in SSS since it was housed on AOL, and I'm a giant Craig Anderton fan. He's a great person and friend. That's the main reason I've stuck around all these years.
      Ken Lee on 500px / Ken's Photo Store / Ken Lee Photography Facebook Website / Blueberry Buddha Studios / Ajanta Palace Houseboat - Kashmir / Hotel Green View - Kashmir / Eleven Shadows website / Ken Lee Photography Blog / Akai 12-track tape transfers / MY NEW ALBUM! The Mercury Seven

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      • Dendy Jarrett
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        Why would that be being a smart a$$? I get the distinct honor of sharing an adjoined offices with him. "The force is strong with him."

        D

    • #4
      I haven't been here all that long. A little over three years. I no longer remember how I discovered this place but I do remember seeing that Craig Anderton was a part of it, and that alone was enough to get me interested. Since then, it's become a daily place to go for me. I've made some real friends here, and it's spilled over to another forum, to collaborations, to gear purchases based on reviews here. It's become a part of my life, I log in virtually everyday. There are days when I don't view my emails but I come here.

      I Love this place!
      http://thebasement.createaforum.com/

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      • #5
        I joined SSS over at Music Player back in the day and have gotten to know several people here and we are friends on FB. Honestly, I question the need for a forum anymore. Granted, I still belong to a few but I visit less and less. It seems that FB is where everything is and its so easy to upload and share videos.

        I really feel HC could take it to the next level with short 5 minute videos that give playing on your basic instruments and mixing tips. Short 5 minute lessons on EQ, compression would also be very helpful to the newbies. Hard to imagine why a site like this cannot do something and sort of become the online hub for musicians.

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      • #6
        My avatar says I joined in July 2005 - altho' I think that might have just been an HC reboot point and I was here some time, maybe years, before that. Anyway I've been here a while. I doubt my reasons for hanging around are unique - I was looking for technical information and discussions, reviews, and a point of contact with other musicians. There have been high points and low points, no question.

        Craig's presence has been something of a pole star, orienting the topics and discussions around an expectation of intelligent content, bona fide expertise, and a civilized (but not too civilized) atmosphere. Contrast this place to Gearslutz where I'm in and out all the time, just scoping specific threads on technical and gear topics, and where I don't feel like I know a soul there, really.

        The social and community aspect of HC ebbs and flows....I like to think I've made friends here, to the extent authentic friendship can be achieved in such an ephemeral and one-step-removed environment. I certainly know the cast of mind of a good number of participants, similar to the way you come to know longstanding fellow employees or classmates, etc. I'm enough of a soft-hearted fool that my feelings can be hurt or edified via online interaction - maybe one of those "there are two kinds of people" distinctions between those who let online interaction be real to some extent, and those who simply see it as a game.

        I don't see how Facebook can do this sort of thing - it's a huge jumbled mess to me - no community at all. Cat videos and baby pictures and political rants and 3rd party ads and inane posts clutter it all up to the extent that I look at it maybe once or twice a week until I'm bored - which doesn't take long. Maybe I haven't customized my Facebook world to make it a source of value to me....who has time? quoth the Merovingian.

        I'd miss HC if it folded up. I already miss the good ol' days when activity was high and it seemed like a hangout rather than a place to check up on from time to time. The wheel will turn.

        nat whilk ii


        Last edited by nat whilk II; 04-27-2016, 05:50 AM.

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        • #7
          I was here checking reviews trying to figure out the internet and what to buy. One day the Mackie site went down and I signed up here just so I could ask somebody. I believe it was Mike Rivers that answered. At least that's my recollection. I never bothered introducing myself and nobody asked. Just liked throwing pennies into the fountain I guess.
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          • #8
            I used to visit here when this and porn sites were all there were on the internet. Well okay, and geocities and aol were around. What was that, 1995? In fact Jules and all those guys didn't have their own sites either. They all came here..... or wherever Craig was then.

            I come here now because they give away a new Gibson guitar every week, a new car every month, and I haven't yet noticed Craig blow his stack over anything. Which I'm eagerly waiting for. I'm also more popular with girls after visiting HC and my teeth are whiter.
            Last edited by bookumdano4; 04-27-2016, 10:37 PM.

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          • #9
            Actually, the site first appeared in 1994, but close enough

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            • Phil O'Keefe
              Phil O'Keefe commented
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              Scott???

              Good to see you!

            • slehman2
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              Yeah, it's been a while! I don't check in often, but that headline caught my eye so figured I'd pop in to see if anyone noticed

            • Dendy Jarrett
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              Sir Scott! We are honored to have you!

          • #10
            Ive been a member since the prior host before HC. I like that the signal-to-noise ratio is really great. Most other forums I've seen have 'regulars' who clutter up EVERY thread with snarky remarks, but rarely actually say anything. I like that people here have more respect and consideration. A great test when checking out a forum is to see the responses to a dumb question from a newbie. If they are mean, I move on. That never seems to happen here.

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            • #11
              Yeah me too... got here because of Anderton and started with the old Music Player SSS forums. I found those forms by searching for a Part II of an article I had in an old issue of Electronic Musician magazine. I couldn't find the next issue with the Part II, even though I'm sure I still have it somewhere. So I got on the web and searched for Craig Anderton and the title of the article. I never did find a cyber copy of the article and don't even remember what it was now, but I found SSS... and the rest my friends is Internet music history, myth and legend.

              By the way, good piece in the link about HC, Dendy.
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              • #12
                Well, I wanted to learn about songwriting and was on other sites doing that. Joined here to get different views and feedback...I am not really a musician( I mean I play a guitar but I am not a guitar player). Been teaching myself to play for the last 7-8 years or so and for the most part its just a hobby. I do like music though and heck why not hang out with people that do things I like...I have several songs that I need to record and someday will get motivated to do that...Lo-Fi in comparison to many of you with real musical experience but it is what it is...

                I also came to learn a bit about acoustic guitars and had questions answered in the acoustic section...Stack of Bones had a monthly Virtual Music 1 Take recording get together and I really enjoyed that.
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                • #13
                  one of the most stupid articles ever to appear on HC imo

                  but first off, I'll also explain how I got here in the first place.
                  The year was 1995. I stumbled upon OLGA and thought I struck gold. Thousands and thousands of guitar tabs submitted by anonymous users, I printed boxes full of these OLGA guitar tabs, all wrong …
                  Harmony Central got my attention in 1998 or so, while researching gear.
                  I discovered the user reviews.
                  I started lurking at the forums around 1999, and finally joined in 2002. My first thread was a question about a pedal purchase I was about to make, wantinge some feedback. I got instant replies.
                  There was no moderation and the community was great , it was the great era of the HC forums.

                  Harmony Central was all about user content, provided by the community
                  But it changed with the change of ownership in 2005, that is the turning point. In 2008, the site went kaputt and the community started to diminish. But there was still a lot of activity. Indeed the Jive and Lithium platforms really did a lot of harm to the community. And the return to vbulletin is also a big failure imo. Now 2 years later, it is still not working right, it is slow, it lets spam through, it has no proper search, there are bugs from day 1 that are still not fixed today.

                  And most importantly, it did not bring back the community.Yadda, yadda, community.

                  "what the community likes about Harmony Central is, not surprisingly, the community ... "
                  truth is this community (more than 750.000 members) is non existent, there are about 100 regulars and that's it
                  that's not much of a community
                  fail

                  "The other big attraction is that Harmony Central has become a repository for music information—a veritable university of knowledge"
                  yup, but when you don't have an advanced search, you cannot retrieve that information
                  fail

                  "So, why don’t we remove some of the data? There is simply too much good information mixed with all the other information, and unfortunately, if you remove information, it produces broken search returns and in turn punishes HC with folks like Google."
                  if you search on Google, Harmony Central is not really showing up in the search results, this used to be different, if you googled Tube Screamer back in the day, you would get a HC User Review in the top 10 results. No longer so.
                  fail

                  "There is no software platform available today that can handle the amount of traffic HC gets in a day".
                  HC does not get a lot of traffic. Last time I checked number of unique visotrs is still falling. Now I remember seeing "Fuzz, the sound that revolutionized the world" documentary from 2007, in which a HC spokesperson said that HC was the leading on-line platform for musicians and that it had over 2 million unique visitors a month. Nowadays it's not a lot.


                  fail

                  Now I made the comparison before, Macrumors.com, they have 800.000 members, 20 million posts, a lot of forums, a lot of articles, a lot of news. They also were pushed to do a platform change. They asked their community first, implemented the suggestions and feedback from the community, tested things, took their time to prepare the move and when they flicked the switch, it was all good. They still have 5 million unique visitors each month. The community did have to adjust to the new software (they use Xenforo, and hey, they have no spam, they have advanced search, and a lot of cool features) HC went with vBulletin in April 2014, there was a lot of negativity about vB5, and yeah, now 2 years later with vB5.2.1 things might have improved a little, but you know better how much time, effort, resources and money it took to get it to work, and for me it still is by far the worst forum experience of all (I visit about 20 forums).
                  fail.

                  "But the major reason for why "Harmony Central?" is our core mission: To get more people involved in music, and inspire those who already are to make better music."
                  Sounds great. But in my 14 years at HC, not for a split second did I think I am making better music because of HC. I cannot think of any reason.
                  I fail

                  So overall, HC is not really living up to its mission statement.
                  “Educating, entertaining, and empowering the world’s largest online community of musicians.”
                  seems great on paper, but in reality, there is not much of a community left and it is not easy to win it back.
                  I'm not sure if it is even possible.
                  Other music forums have the community. User Reviews are nowadays more a YouTube thing
                  Articles and News are nice to have, but you cannot build a community on that
                  without the community, HC is becoming irrelevant.


                  Last edited by bieke; 05-03-2016, 05:33 PM.

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                  • #14
                    Originally posted by bieke View Post

                    without the community, HC is becoming irrelevant.

                    Like, for instance, you epic threads! The highlight of my work day in the mid-00's was the seemingly random Bieke photo threads that grew faster than I could hit refresh! Certainly, should we ever cross paths, I owe you as many beverages as the barkeep will allow before cutting us off!
                    Last edited by Chris Loeffler; 05-04-2016, 02:43 PM.
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                    • Phil O'Keefe
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                      Indeed. Bieke's pedal threads are legendary.

                    • bieke
                      bieke commented
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                      yeah thanks, I should just stick with those instead of moaning, I know

                  • #15
                    Originally posted by bieke View Post
                    Harmony Central was all about user content, provided by the community

                    But it changed with the change of ownership in 2005, that is the turning point. In 2008, the site went kaputt and the community started to diminish. But there was still a lot of activity. Indeed the Jive and Lithium platforms really did a lot of harm to the community. And the return to vbulletin is also a big failure imo. Now 2 years later, it is still not working right, it is slow, it lets spam through, it has no proper search, there are bugs from day 1 that are still not fixed today.

                    And most importantly, it did not bring back the community.Yadda, yadda, community.
                    To use your terminology Bieke (good observations btw), I believe the community still exists but we are no longer centered around our desktops. Everything today is mobile and app based. I think HC would be wise to create an app where this site could be accessed on the cells! I also think there is less interested in forums for most users. The forum is already "old". Today everything is on the phone and the info has to be easily accessible. You mentioned how in 2008 the site went "kaputt". That was also a big year for Facebook.

                    The rise of Facebook and Twitter tells me that people still want to communicate but the venue in which they do so is again, mobile and app based. HC should consider an app where threads act more like Facebook. You can easily add comments, like posts, and (this is key) easily upload photos, links, and music all on your iPhone. HC needs to meet the community where its at and that is social media. HC needs to become a social media app where quick videos can be accessed for anyone interested in learning about recording, playing instruments, etc... and reviews. Reviews need to be in video format now and audio needs to accompany these videos because nothing tells you more about an instrument or piece of gear that sound.

                    I don`t need charts or an outside consulting firm to tell me where the community is. Yes, everyone is online but they want to experience HC in a convenient place... their cell phone.
                    Last edited by Ernest Buckley; 05-04-2016, 09:16 PM.

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                    • bieke
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                      hmm, I got carried away, I think there are about 100 (hopefully more) hardliners here who still post frequently and check the forus on a daily basis, and I really would love to have a forum revical and community uprise like it used to be, but in fact, times are changing and I'm old skool and now start to believe this forum thing has had its day and is in decline ... I don't know if HC can becoma a social media app, it would be up against Facebook and Twitter, just seems like a lost battle, and Lithium and Jive platforms was a kind of social media experiment, to some extent
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