Phil O'Keefe Posted September 15, 2017 Share Posted September 15, 2017 Eric Johnson's pretty obsessive about tone... and I know many other excellent guitarists who care about theirs as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members GAS Man Posted September 15, 2017 Members Share Posted September 15, 2017 LOL, interesting, I did not know that existed. But you'd think an extreme concept as such a widely varied substrate would make the end result intuitive even without an actual demo. Heck, I was in gigging neighborhood band that included someone on a thump bucket, so I got to hear the differences between metal and plastic buckets. LOL And yes, the thump bucket had a transducer pickup attached to it as well. But man did I get tired of playing Down On The Corner. :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members mrbrown49 Posted September 15, 2017 Members Share Posted September 15, 2017 i could clearly hear the difference, both acoustic and electric versions for me, it's like when there are shootouts between digital and analogue summing... some people say they can't hear a difference and i think "are we listening to the same thing?"... as it's very obvious to me I feel the same way. Perhaps they need better speakers or headphones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Bucksstudent Posted September 15, 2017 Members Share Posted September 15, 2017 Talking to Soundcreation is like trying to reason with a unkept conspiracy theorist who doesn't have any self-awareness. I definitely said I heard a difference in the wood, dude. I called you an elitist because of your obnoxious vomit post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Bucksstudent Posted September 15, 2017 Members Share Posted September 15, 2017 Eric Johnson's pretty obsessive about tone... and I know many other excellent guitarists who care about theirs as well. I never said anything about not caring about tone. I used the word "obsess," which is a lot different. I also didn't imply that there was anything wrong with obsessing about tone. And to be clear, for the rest of you readers out there: I definitely heard a difference in the woods as stated in my post above. But I stand behind my point. Most good players I encounter do not obsess about their tone. They care about it, but don't talk endlessly about differences in wood or pickups. Do they appreciate their guitars, amps, and effects? Yes. If you're a good player, you don't have to spend hours configuring your sound. Hell, there was a show at the local amphitheater where everyone played through the same amps. They all sounded great. I don't think there's anything wrong with discussing tone, wood, and the like, otherwise I wouldn't be here. But when someone gets on their high horse and says if you can't hear the difference, you have bad ears, that's incredibly stupid. My point is that most of the working guitarists I know don't have that attitude. Treating people like they're lesser than you because they can't hear the difference between mahogany and maple is the best example of cork-sniffing and elitism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Chordite Posted September 15, 2017 Members Share Posted September 15, 2017 Yeah I have to give it to the mahogany. Both on Sustain and "richness" Maybe a little less bright but in a piano vs harpsichord way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members soundcreation Posted September 15, 2017 Author Members Share Posted September 15, 2017 And I responded to your stupid nonsense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members soundcreation Posted September 15, 2017 Author Members Share Posted September 15, 2017 I never said anything about not caring about tone. I used the word "obsess," which is a lot different. I also didn't imply that there was anything wrong with obsessing about tone. And to be clear, for the rest of you readers out there: I definitely heard a difference in the woods as stated in my post above. But I stand behind my point. Most good players I encounter do not obsess about their tone. They care about it, but don't talk endlessly about differences in wood or pickups. Do they appreciate their guitars, amps, and effects? Yes. If you're a good player, you don't have to spend hours configuring your sound. Hell, there was a show at the local amphitheater where everyone played through the same amps. They all sounded great. I don't think there's anything wrong with discussing tone, wood, and the like, otherwise I wouldn't be here. But when someone gets on their high horse and says if you can't hear the difference, you have bad ears, that's incredibly stupid. My point is that most of the working guitarists I know don't have that attitude. Treating people like they're lesser than you because they can't hear the difference between mahogany and maple is the best example of cork-sniffing and elitism. Yeah....anyone who disagrees with you is a "cork sniffer"....lol Cry of the cheap snob...."he's a cork sniffer"... And try a little logic. It's not about "treating people like they are lesser than you". It's about calling morons who BECAUSE they can't hear a difference then go on to think that the ones who can are "cork sniffers". THAT is elitism. As I mentioned before in your other post. One more time...there is a difference between saying "I can't hear a difference" and "I can't hear a difference so therefore anyone who does hear a difference must either be wrong or some kind of arrogant a hole." The first I have no problem with...the second I will call out every single time they open their moronic mouths. If that makes me an "elitist" in your eyes....whoopty f...king doo! I couldn't care less about your opinion of me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Bucksstudent Posted September 15, 2017 Members Share Posted September 15, 2017 Yeah....anyone who disagrees with you is a "cork sniffer"....lol Cry of the cheap snob...."he's a cork sniffer"... And try a little logic. It's not about "treating people like they are lesser than you". It's about calling morons who BECAUSE they can't hear a difference then go on to think that the ones who can are "cork sniffers". THAT is elitism. As I mentioned before in your other post. One more time...there is a difference between saying "I can't hear a difference" and "I can't hear a difference so therefore anyone who does hear a difference must either be wrong or some kind of arrogant a hole." The first I have no problem with...the second I will call out every single time they open their moronic mouths. If that makes me an "elitist" in your eyes....whoopty f...king doo! I couldn't care less about your opinion of me. Dude, you're unreal. Putting words in my mouth and then accusing me of being a "cheap snob" even though I never said anything about specific gear or money... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Bucksstudent Posted September 15, 2017 Members Share Posted September 15, 2017 What a crazy person. I keep forgetting about you, and then you show back up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members soundcreation Posted September 15, 2017 Author Members Share Posted September 15, 2017 Dude, you're unreal. Putting words in my mouth and then accusing me of being a "cheap snob" even though I never said anything about specific gear or money... Hey! Exactly like calling me a "cork sniffer" "elitist" and "obnoxious" simply because you don't agree with my point. Yeah...I'm "un real". lol Funny how you never seem to address any of the points made. You're the very definition of arrogant because you conclude that what's not important to you shouldn't be important to anyone. You set the standard right? You said it yourself...someone who appreciates the differences in wine must be and arrogant snob! lol..... Not surprised you're blinded to your own hypocrisy, and further try to project those qualities on to others. Sign of a very illogical mind. The very embodiment of the scourge of modern american anti intellectualism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members soundcreation Posted September 15, 2017 Author Members Share Posted September 15, 2017 You're more than welcome to f..k off. Nobody made you open this thread. Nobody made you post your worthless comments that don't address any of the points made but merely comment on how anyone who doesn't think like you must be an "elitist"....lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members TheForkWigger Posted September 15, 2017 Members Share Posted September 15, 2017 My guitar is plywood so I sound like ALL the guitars Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Bucksstudent Posted September 15, 2017 Members Share Posted September 15, 2017 Hey! Exactly like calling me a "cork sniffer" "elitist" and "obnoxious" simply because you don't agree with my point. Yeah...I'm "un real". lol Funny how you never seem to address any of the points made. You're the very definition of arrogant because you conclude that what's not important to you shouldn't be important to anyone. You set the standard right? You said it yourself...someone who appreciates the differences in wine must be and arrogant snob! lol..... Not surprised you're blinded to your own hypocrisy, and further try to project those qualities on to others. Sign of a very illogical mind. The very embodiment of the scourge of modern american anti intellectualism. Your rants are the best, man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Bucksstudent Posted September 15, 2017 Members Share Posted September 15, 2017 I was addressing points until you started insulting everyone with your manic rant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members soundcreation Posted September 15, 2017 Author Members Share Posted September 15, 2017 Your rants are the best, man. gasp! and you did it again! SHOCKING! lol... It's OK...go on....get that hate on for all those wine tasting snobs and those "librarian audiophiles" and all the other groups you've manufactured in your own head to be some sort of "elitists" that just don't understand things like you do! It's never you...it's always them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members soundcreation Posted September 15, 2017 Author Members Share Posted September 15, 2017 So calling audiophiles "librarians" is addressing the points huh? lol. That's some bullet proof logic you got there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Bucksstudent Posted September 15, 2017 Members Share Posted September 15, 2017 gasp! and you did it again! SHOCKING! lol... It's OK...go on....get that hate on for all those wine tasting snobs and those "librarian audiophiles" and all the other groups you've manufactured in your own head to be some sort of "elitists" that just don't understand things like you do! It's never you...it's always them. I'm not perfect and never said I knew more than anyone. Its you who has the elitist attitude. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Bucksstudent Posted September 15, 2017 Members Share Posted September 15, 2017 Do you have something against librarians? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Freeman Keller Posted September 15, 2017 Members Share Posted September 15, 2017 Before this thread deteriorates too badly I'll add a couple of comments. I'm one of those people who believe that the overall effect of wood species is very small, but certainly does have some contribution. I won't pick nits with this "proof" - the methodology is full of holes, but even with my bad ears, I can hear a difference. Tapping on a piece of wood has been a long standing tradition for acoustic guitar builders - both for selecting which hunk of wood to use but also during the thicknessing and bracing process. The significant thing here is that yes, there are differences between species of wood, but there are also huge differences within a specie, and even within the same log. An experience luthier can use this, most of us just hear the "thunk". There are so many variables in the playing examples (the player holds the guitars very differently when he switches from one to the other) - but, yes, again, there is a difference in sound. The engineer in me wants to see every one of these variables eliminated - that is why in most rigid investigations of guitar sounds we do use "plucking machines" (usually a wire break) and calibrated sound analyzing equipment (usually a transformation into the frequency domain). Most researchers measure the properties of their samples (density, Youngs modulus, speed of sound propagation). We use double blind samples and multiple listeners, trying to find statistical significance. Simple statement here - there are differences in sound from these three "guitars" - I won't read any more into it. Last comment might be a little more significant. These don't represent real guitars. Mahogany is a common guitar body wood and many solid body guitars are build out of it. I can't think of any production solid body maple guitars - it is almost always used as a cap on a mahogany body (does that mean the guitar sounds like the best of mahogany and maple, the worst or something different?). Fir isn't a very common guitar wood (however from the clips it might be the best, eh?). Size and shape may or may not matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Bucksstudent Posted September 15, 2017 Members Share Posted September 15, 2017 I always appreciate your posts because you know what you're talking about and act like a gentleman. We could all take a page from your book. it comes OFF a lot better than someone WHO cant type and capitalizes RANDOM words without proper punctuation or formatting ... dont ... forget ... lots ........ of ellipses Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Etienne Rambert Posted September 15, 2017 Members Share Posted September 15, 2017 WhaT's WRONG!!!! with capITALIZING..........random words AnD using LOTS!!! of........ellipses!!!....??????? I dO it.......nO pROblem!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Bucksstudent Posted September 15, 2017 Members Share Posted September 15, 2017 WhaT's WRONG!!!! with capITALIZING..........random words AnD using LOTS!!! of........ellipses!!!....??????? I dO it.......nO pROblem!!!!! Probably because it looks like you're having a stroke via text, and looks like you're yelling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Freeman Keller Posted September 15, 2017 Members Share Posted September 15, 2017 Thanks Buckie. One thing that I should have added to my post was that logically you would think that density of a wood species would have the biggest influence on an electric guitar body - you would think that density would determine how fast particular frequencies were attenuated or dampened. Logically wood with vastly different densities (say balsa and ebony) should sound dramatically different while woods of similar densities should sound similar. I know this isn't true of acoustic guitar woods - there we are more interested in strength to weight and stiffness - Youngs modulus - but certainly density would be a factor too. The nominal density of Honduras mahogany is 590 k/.m^3 while bigleaf maple is 605 (side by side in my handbook, for reference ebony is 1120. My handbook does not give "pressure treated fir" - I suppose I could look it up). Interesting that they sound so different. Or do they? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members sammyreynolds01 Posted September 16, 2017 Members Share Posted September 16, 2017 Buckstudent, I'd hope you would know better than to feed a troll. All soundcreation has done since his time on this forum is just try to get a reaction from people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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