Members Dr. Scottie C Posted August 3, 2012 Author Members Share Posted August 3, 2012 So far.... let's recap some popular choices.... Slash- Do some of you feel that without Axl, Slash would have never been on the map? In your mind do they both suck? Cobain- Did his attitude & personality have more to do with his success than his music? Santana- Many say he brought it at Woodstock in 1969.... than many loved his SuperNatural album 30+ years later.... was he consistently awesome through that gap in time...or was he about as impressive as a limp pecker? Clapton- Many state that "there are many players in many bar bands across the country that are better than this guy." ...do you agree with this? Are you one of these players that could blow Clapton away? And some of you mentioned his tone sucks.... which era of tone suckage are you referring to? Cream era, 80's? please explain when the sucking began, and when Bobby Joe, or Billy Ray (every town has one) of your local bar band not only had better chops than EC, but also better tone. Hendrix- Do you agree with the idea that he "ghettofied" guitar playing..... and that perhaps the death of Hendrix at a mere age 27 gave him perhaps a immortal status that makes people sometimes forget that had he put out albums for another 30 years.... surely some of them would have sucked. Page- Awesome guitar god, or sloppy drunk/heroin addict that should be thanking his fortune that 3 better musicians propped him up, and made him a guitar hero in Zeppelin? Eddie Van Halen.... Surely he has made his mark on modern rock music with his style and equipment..... but is it for the better or worse in your mind? Are their other players you have witnessed who you believe really blow this guy away? Kirk Hammett- Amazing metal god.... or total wanker that plays at the intermediate level through what appears to be 10 wah wah pedals? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Members Dr. Scottie C Posted August 3, 2012 Author Members Share Posted August 3, 2012 . These "millions" of "better" "bar" players ... where the {censored} are they? If they're better than Clapton, we should have heard about them, right? These funking prodigies don't just play for themselves in their living rooms, right? They do play out, don't they?Because here's the thing: I've seen bands in hundreds of Texas bars in my quest to have the toughest liver in the Southern US, and only very rarely have I come across anyone who could even approach Clapton. One of those guys (and he surpassed EC, even by EC's own admission) was Stevie Ray Vaughan, whom I've seen like 8 times, half of which included small clubs; another is Doyle Bramhall II; and there's Chris Duarte; and Ian Moore; and Ronnie {censored}ing Earl. And I saw Johnny Winter tear it right the hell up a couple of times. And that's pretty much it. So tell me: these "millions" of "better" "bar" players: where are they? Up your ass, that's where, because they don't {censored}ing exist.And let's even not get started on tone ..... Not to get off topic...but since I started this bull{censored}, I am allowed..... 1) I agree with 99% of your post2) Of those you listed..... while all fantastic.....SRV is the only one on the list that can/could approach Clapton if he is having an "on" night..... if Clapton is "in the mood" (note: Clapton may seem pretty approachable, but he actually a pretty complex and moody person) but if he is in the mood.... the likes of Doyle Bramhall II and Chris Duarte are not even going to be in the same building with Clapton. Keep in mind, Clapton was the only person Hendrix feared as his "playing contemporary" ..... Duarte/Bramhall II/Ian Moore.... while all super talents, wouldn't have been a zit on the ass of Hendrix/Clapton in their primes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members RockNote Posted August 3, 2012 Members Share Posted August 3, 2012 Eric Clapton by a wide margin. He just slipped in at the right time in the right country. His tone sucks too - always has. There are million guitar players out there in bars everywhere that are better players. This thread in a nutshell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members gdsmithtx Posted August 3, 2012 Members Share Posted August 3, 2012 f those you listed..... while all fantastic.....SRV is the only one on the list that can/could approach Clapton if he is having an "on" night..... if Clapton is "in the mood" (note: Clapton may seem pretty approachable, but he actually a pretty complex and moody person) but if he is in the mood.... the likes of Doyle Bramhall II and Chris Duarte are not even going to be in the same building with Clapton. The strange thing is, I'm not very much of a Claptonophile; lots of the stuff he came out with in the 70s I hated. "Lay Down Sally" and "Blues Power" my ass .... But I've seen way more than enough to show me that Eric Clapton is -- behind BB King, Buddy Guy and Gatemouth Brown -- the living embodiment of The Blues. These millions of guys better than Clapton, as a blues guitar player and fan, I want to see these guys. The problem is, they're nowhere near as common as Mouthflap McTalk{censored} would have you believe .... why? Because they don't {censored}ing exist, that's why. EC doing the living DOG mess out of a Stevie song. And if you can't get behind this, you are a blithering idiot. (The video embed apparently didn't work the first time; operator error I would expect) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members cylon Posted August 3, 2012 Members Share Posted August 3, 2012 lol 10 wah pedals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members BushmasterM4 Posted August 3, 2012 Members Share Posted August 3, 2012 Clapton. Sorry he isnt god !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Bbreaker Posted August 3, 2012 Members Share Posted August 3, 2012 Michael Nesmith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DaveAronow Posted August 3, 2012 Members Share Posted August 3, 2012 No. Just no. Almost inarguably the most influential guitarist in rock & blues behind Hendrix, and would be third most influential in the worst case scenario (behind either Page or Keef but not both). Yes, but he still blows. When he is not busy sucking, of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members tlbonehead Posted August 3, 2012 Members Share Posted August 3, 2012 Cobain by a mile.how can someone who nobody thinks is an actual good guitarist, be overated? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members wimpy77 Posted August 3, 2012 Members Share Posted August 3, 2012 So far.... let's recap some popular choices....Slash- Do some of you feel that without Axl, Slash would have never been on the map? In your mind do they both suck?Cobain- Did his attitude & personality have more to do with his success than his music?Santana- Many say he brought it at Woodstock in 1969.... than many loved his SuperNatural album 30+ years later.... was he consistently awesome through that gap in time...or was he about as impressive as a limp pecker?Clapton- Many state that "there are many players in many bar bands across the country that are better than this guy." ...do you agree with this? Are you one of these players that could blow Clapton away?And some of you mentioned his tone sucks.... which era of tone suckage are you referring to? Cream era, 80's? please explain when the sucking began, and when Bobby Joe, or Billy Ray (every town has one) of your local bar band not only had better chops than EC, but also better tone.Hendrix- Do you agree with the idea that he "ghettofied" guitar playing..... and that perhaps the death of Hendrix at a mere age 27 gave him perhaps a immortal status that makes people sometimes forget that had he put out albums for another 30 years.... surely some of them would have sucked.Page- Awesome guitar god, or sloppy drunk/heroin addict that should be thanking his fortune that 3 better musicians propped him up, and made him a guitar hero in Zeppelin?Eddie Van Halen.... Surely he has made his mark on modern rock music with his style and equipment..... but is it for the better or worse in your mind? Are their other players you have witnessed who you believe really blow this guy away?Kirk Hammett- Amazing metal god.... or total wanker that plays at the intermediate level through what appears to be 10 wah wah pedals? 1. Without GNR you would never know who Slash is. That doesn't mean I don't like him as a guitar player but he is rather repetitive. 2. Cobain was good songwriter but a {censored} guitar player and he admitted that many times. 3. Santana I never got into. Same Dorian, blues and harmonic minor licks. 4. Clapton- There are plenty of guitar players that were better than he was. 5. Hendrix died at an early age and that help cement his status but he was an original. 6. Page was a sloppy player but he fit Led Zepplin 7. Eddie Van Halen was the first player since Hendrix that really stood out and sound like nobody else. But once the 80's came out every guitar player started copying him and he became overexposed. He actions in later years didn't help the way people feel about him now. 8. Kirk Hammett is better than what people give him credit for but his tone is something to be desired. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members tlbonehead Posted August 3, 2012 Members Share Posted August 3, 2012 7. Eddie Van Halen was the first player since Hendrix that really stood out and sound like nobody else. But once the 80's came out every guitar player started copying him and he became overexposed. He actions in later years didn't help the way people feel about him now..who did Leslie West sound like? or Johnny Winter? Mick Taylor? Richie Blackmore? Ronnie Montrose? Rory Gallagher? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DaveAronow Posted August 3, 2012 Members Share Posted August 3, 2012 The strange thing is, I'm not very much of a Claptonophile; lots of the stuff he came out with in the 70s I hated. "Lay Down Sally" and "Blues Power" my ass .... But I've seen way more than enough to show me that Eric Clapton is, behind Buddy Guy and Gatemouth Brown, the living embodiment of The Blues. These millions of guys better than Clapton, as a blues guitar player and fan, I want to see these guys.The problem is, they're nowhere near as common as Mouthflap McTalk{censored} would have you believe .... why? Because they don't {censored}ing exist, that's why.EC doing the living DOG mess out of a Stevie song. And if you can't get behind this, you are an idiot Saying eric clapton is the best, makes a tiny but more sense when you say he is the best at the blues. Even if this was true, which it isn't even close, who cares? Saying someone is the best at the blues is like saying someone is the best water drinker, or the best tire changer, or the best laundry folder, or the best scab peeler, or the best air breather, or the best nose picker. Were are talking about the best at the blues, man. Nobody cares. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members cratz2 Posted August 3, 2012 Members Share Posted August 3, 2012 who did Leslie West sound like? or Johnny Winter? Mick Taylor? Richie Blackmore? Ronnie Montrose? Rory Gallagher? Please don't try to interject reality or reason into this unadulterated hatefest! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DaveAronow Posted August 3, 2012 Members Share Posted August 3, 2012 Please don't try to interject reality or reason into this unadulterated hatefest! Seriously. If you can't follow the rules and make fun of all the bloozetards in this thread like everyone else, we are going to have to ask you to leave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members benzem Posted August 3, 2012 Members Share Posted August 3, 2012 how can someone who nobody thinks is an actual good guitarist, be overated? Nobody? Uh, I do. Not good? That's stupid. But of course he is not overrated. Obviously. Nobody that can play guitar well(:poke:) would "rate" him as a great guitarist. Nor do they care. Only haters jump on this opportunity to trash him, players who couldn't play and sing at the same time(well) if their life depended on it. That takes a lot of talent, and makes wankers jealous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Snowcow Posted August 3, 2012 Members Share Posted August 3, 2012 BB King Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members PrawnHeed Posted August 3, 2012 Members Share Posted August 3, 2012 Hendrix. Would hardly be talked about if were still alive and playing dad rock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members tlbonehead Posted August 3, 2012 Members Share Posted August 3, 2012 Hendrix. Would hardly be talked about if were still alive and playing dad rock.but he wasn't playing "dad rock" at the end of his days, so why would he be now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members tlbonehead Posted August 3, 2012 Members Share Posted August 3, 2012 Seriously. If you can't follow the rules and make fun of all the bloozetards in this thread like everyone else, we are going to have to ask you to leave.oh, ok. Michael Bloomfield, Danny Gatton, Martin Barre, and Terry Kath. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members benzem Posted August 3, 2012 Members Share Posted August 3, 2012 Hendrix. Would hardly be talked about if were still alive and playing dad rock. So, if Jimi was still alive........in your theory..........(laughing)....he would hardly be talked about? (still laughing) Are you happy with that assessment? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members orourke Posted August 3, 2012 Members Share Posted August 3, 2012 Clapton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members noisebloom Posted August 3, 2012 Members Share Posted August 3, 2012 Michael Nesmith Tone is in the ski hat! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members PrawnHeed Posted August 3, 2012 Members Share Posted August 3, 2012 So, if Jimi was still alive........in your theory..........(laughing)....he would hardly be talked about? (still laughing)Are you happy with that assessment? Yep. Nothing has ever trumped a premature death when it comes to instilling fanboi idolatory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DaveAronow Posted August 3, 2012 Members Share Posted August 3, 2012 Clapton Correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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