Members echodeluxe Posted June 16, 2009 Members Share Posted June 16, 2009 i responded to their absolutely ridiculous dumble praise thread. the first quote of from some dude responding to my first quote: dude modified fender designs and kept his "secrets" safe under a pile of goop.hes just a guy. give me a freaking break. now this guy has at least one good point: why yell "yankees suck!" in a stadium full of yankee's fans? cuz i {censored}ing can.read on. Why post this if you want a break ? Would you do into a crowd of Yankees supporters and shout 'Yankees suck'.Leo Fender didn't exactly start out with a blank sheet of paper either. It's where he took the designs. Same with Dumble. He started with Fender amps and took it in a whole new direction.He started out in the 60's modifying Fender amps.....so did the founder of Mesa Boogie....These guys did similar things in a different way. The end reult of which in both cases is a far cry from a Fender.Jim Marshall started with a '59 Bassman, made very few changes and released the JTM-45. Do we hear any disrespect for him ? No..of course not. He innovated not only guitar amp design in a big way, but a whole genre of music as a knock on effect.The use of goop and other methods of design protection are at the sole discretion of the designer. Maybe your point would have more validity if it was aimed at the gazillion cloners of the Tubescreamer and other classic pedals that use goop to hide the fact. At least Dumble was trying to hide his own work to keep ahead of the game. Who can blame him for that ?My hat goes off to all these pioneers of guitar amplifier design !! okay i see where you are coming from, but you seriously went on a tangent. the attitude towards this guy just leaves a bad taste in my mouth. sure he made amplifiers but he tweaked existing production designs to the whatever degree. cool. they sound okay i guess. its just funny to hear people exalt the name of someone who explained that tubes sound better because "electrons cant survive in a crystal lattice". that is NOT an engineer speaking. thats a ridiculous crock. goop is bad. sorry. its never a good thing. goop happens when someone rips off a design or an idea from someone else and doesnt want people to find out hes a crook. there is no aspect of circuit design that calls for goop. never. you need something to be stable and not vibrate? silicon rubber sealer under or between components. a very modest amount will do. lots of manufacturers do this. if you cover stuff with goop, thats it. theres no repair. hes a terrible designer for making his designs completely non repairable. way to go, slugger. sorry if this comes off as angry, but you have got to be kidding me. he made some cool stuff, but hes a bad designer and a con artist. and the difference between dumble and randall smith is that smith actually DESIGNED things. he came up with simul class, basically invented cascading tube gain stages. seriously? there is NO comparison. and randall smith is up front and honest about his designs. no goop! imagine that. and im not talking about tubescreamers. there are a million out there and a million that use goop. i already saifd i think goop is a terrible idea and that goes for pedals, amp, cars, boats, tv's, anything. but im responding to this dumble thread. giving this guy this level of praise is mind boggling. stick that in a crystal lattice. there is no way they are gonna let this level of dissent run rampant. i expect some sort of ban within the day. thread: http://www.thegearpage.net/board/showthread.php?p=6270119#post6270119 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members frankiej Posted June 16, 2009 Members Share Posted June 16, 2009 We don't care... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members matterday Posted June 16, 2009 Members Share Posted June 16, 2009 Trolling TGP is so 2006. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Axe_34 Posted June 16, 2009 Members Share Posted June 16, 2009 We don't care... Hehehe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members echodeluxe Posted June 16, 2009 Author Members Share Posted June 16, 2009 pfft im not trolling. im really putt off by that thread. they act like hes a god! wtf! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members L_Z_nut Posted June 16, 2009 Members Share Posted June 16, 2009 Little forum on the hillsideLittle forum made of ticky tackyLittle users, little usersLittle users, all the same Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Secret Seasons Posted June 16, 2009 Members Share Posted June 16, 2009 i like the dumble sound even though it isn't for me and i agree he's just another guy who makes just another amp and but the people who love it act like nothing else will ever ever compare and there is just no use even trying to talk about anything "better" let alone even "different" and yeah the whole crystal lattice thing is just pure I had to sort of walk back my disdain for the guy after that, I really do like the amps, but jesus christ, what kind of pseudo-intellectual bullshit is that, really Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members amarr1 Posted June 16, 2009 Members Share Posted June 16, 2009 this made me also the thread 404 isn't found. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members echodeluxe Posted June 16, 2009 Author Members Share Posted June 16, 2009 i just thought you guys would find the discussion funny. if you dont care dont post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members echodeluxe Posted June 16, 2009 Author Members Share Posted June 16, 2009 this made me also the thread 404 isn't found. copy link location, paste in browser. it wont link directly from HC cuz i think its blocked or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members jrkirkish Posted June 16, 2009 Members Share Posted June 16, 2009 Dumble is also fat. He's got that against him, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members TravvyBear Posted June 16, 2009 Members Share Posted June 16, 2009 Haha, I chuckled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members echodeluxe Posted June 16, 2009 Author Members Share Posted June 16, 2009 im not petty, im not gonna point out that hes fat. that has nothing to do with anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members TravvyBear Posted June 16, 2009 Members Share Posted June 16, 2009 im not petty, im not gonna point out that hes fat. that has nothing to do with anything. But he does have a gut....just sayin' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members NITEFLY182 Posted June 16, 2009 Members Share Posted June 16, 2009 Seems like the insight of someone that doesn't know about artists relationships with Dumble. It was originally intended that buyers who bought an amp from Dumble would never sell it to someone else but would sell it back to Dumble. This is one of many idiosyncrasies outlined in the contracts Dumble had for buyers. This essentially makes all the repair concerns null and void because no one who isn't the original buyer should ever have a Dumble amplifier. Any repairs would have been done by dumble in the first place. Also, IIRC the goop in a Dumble amp is definitely nothing compared to the full-circuit gooping in boutique pedals. Its a small part of the preamp board which is not a place you would be typically doing many repairs. Everything in the power section which might need maintenance is readily accessible. The whole question of repair difficulty is a little silly IMO. Its not like these are fender bassmen that are floating around broken all over the place. They are exceedingly rare and would never show up on the bench of a tech who didn't know exactly what he was doing inside that amp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members jhamnett Posted June 16, 2009 Members Share Posted June 16, 2009 It really doesn't look like you're getting banned after that. /thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members totesdevo Posted June 16, 2009 Members Share Posted June 16, 2009 echo threads are the new tgp dumble thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Drifter182 Posted June 16, 2009 Members Share Posted June 16, 2009 I was browsing that forum earlier, I thought that post seemed HC-ish. I enjoyed the comment below your quote about how disrespectful you were being, even though youre stating the obvious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members analogmike Posted June 16, 2009 Members Share Posted June 16, 2009 Read his articles an interviews from the 70s and 80s, there is unbelievable stuff in there like the crystal lattice. Nobody knew anything back then so he got away with it. It seems almost like some bad religions, how people believe him even with so much contradictory scientific proof. But I want a Dumble anyway (then I would trade it for a trainwreck). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members matterday Posted June 16, 2009 Members Share Posted June 16, 2009 But he does have a gut....just sayin' He's probably been laid more than you though. Burn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members amarr1 Posted June 16, 2009 Members Share Posted June 16, 2009 damn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members almightycrunch Posted June 16, 2009 Members Share Posted June 16, 2009 So I asked this question in a thread about Mark Cameron and gooping, I have never seen a Cameron circuit, nor have I seen an epoxied circuit. BUT, how do they work on these when they need repair? Is the entire circuit replaced again???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Drifter182 Posted June 16, 2009 Members Share Posted June 16, 2009 I'm not gonna lie, I kinda want a dumble style amp too, but the boutique guys get crazy with some of the prices. I'm gonna wait for the eventual Bugera 237 Fumble Overdrive Amplifier Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members matterday Posted June 16, 2009 Members Share Posted June 16, 2009 I'm not gonna lie, I kinda want a dumble style amp too, but the boutique guys get crazy with some of the prices. I'm gonna wait for the eventual Bugera 237 Fumble Overdrive Amplifier Why not just get the Ceriatone one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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