Members V Posted July 20, 2012 Members Share Posted July 20, 2012 There's some correlation, but there are plenty of other avenues that give the bad guys access to weapons. Frankly, "gun laws" only affect the law-abiding; if you think the gangs here in California are going to turn in their firearms just because a new law was passed requiring them to do so, I think you're mistaken. Besides, even if I could wave a magic wand and cause every firearm on the planet to disappear, there would still be murders and mass murders. People would just switch to other types of weapons, such as explosives, contact weapons, driving cars through crowds, etc. Sure, but guns are far easier to kill people with than knives or explosives or crashing cars. Those things also put you in significant danger yourself. It'd take some impressive specimen to knife 71 people and kill 12 of them. Absolutely people are naturally violent and will always hurt one another unless our brains are modified but some devices make that much easier. Some of those devices are laws. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members crohny Posted July 20, 2012 Members Share Posted July 20, 2012 yes, very different by the sounds of it .... but there's no reason why things can't change.. slowly but I get the feeling not many American's want any change... they like having guns......generally I think the USA has a culture where it's (more?) acceptable to kill another human in a way that it isn't here.Firstly we don't have the death penalty, so in that respect our laws lead by example if you like.Secondly, not many people think it is acceptable to kill someone who breaks into your house un-armed, generally it's not seen as acceptable force... so by that reasoning, someone breaking into your house is very unlikely to be armed.. burglary carries what? a few years.. armed robbery on the other hand is very serious.. and murder will get you life, so why would a guy robbing houses for drug money carry or use a gun? it's not worth the risk, he's a robber, he doesn't want to do time for murder or get into a shootout... and more generally people just don't seem to want to have the burden and responsibility of gun ownership, I don't want to be in a position where I'm holding a weapon and making the choice to fire at someone... and I hope I never take someone's life by accident or otherwise in any circumstance... seems to me that the whole 'I need a gun to protect me from from that person with a gun' is a never ending cycle... it would take a major change of attitude to break it. I agree 100 percent. It's the same with the whole war mentality of our nation. Using violence to fight violence doesn't bring peace. Just brings resentment and perpetuates the some mindless slaughter that humans have used for thousands of years. I don't rely solely on a gun for protection. I do have other weapons plus I start Krav Maga this week as well. One because it's realistic self defense and it's also rigorous and will help get and keep me in shape. By no means do I believe me owning a gun is a solution. The solution starts with stricter gun laws along with states and the country cracking down on illegal guns. Legal weapons are targets of criminals. That is a known fact so yes people owning guns is a problem if they do not take precautions to safely store their weapons. Everyone has to do their part. Sadly, people don't and we have the issues we have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members crohny Posted July 20, 2012 Members Share Posted July 20, 2012 Sure, but guns are far easier to kill people with than knives or explosives or crashing cars. Those things also put you in significant danger yourself. It'd take some impressive specimen to knife 71 people and kill 12 of them. Absolutely people are naturally violent and will always hurt one another unless our brains are modified but some devices make that much easier. Some of those devices are laws. An explosive can kill multiple in one shot man. On bullet can exit a body and hit someone else as well but that is about it. A .50 cal can take out a few if the shooter is lucky, but come on. Explosives aren't more deadly?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members crohny Posted July 20, 2012 Members Share Posted July 20, 2012 Prohibitions usually result in dangerously unregulated black markets in this country. See alcohol and now weed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members cryptosonic Posted July 20, 2012 Members Share Posted July 20, 2012 Mcveigh killed 168 with a truck, fertilizer, and racing fuel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members crohny Posted July 20, 2012 Members Share Posted July 20, 2012 Mcveigh killed 168 with a truck, fertilizer, and racing fuel. If someone wants to harm people, specially a lot of people they will find a way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Zappa74 Posted July 20, 2012 Members Share Posted July 20, 2012 Proof that the Aurora chief of police is in fact THE TONE KING (TTK)Here's the Tone King in the Tone Lounge. And here he is in his po-po uniform:SAME PERSON. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Zappa74 Posted July 20, 2012 Members Share Posted July 20, 2012 Play both of those videos at the same time. You will {censored} bricks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members 9520575 Posted July 20, 2012 Members Share Posted July 20, 2012 zappa74 is through the looking glass here people. why are you not discussing this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Pedaltones Posted July 20, 2012 Members Share Posted July 20, 2012 zappa74 is through the looking glass here people. why are you not discussing this? I lol'd - Zappa74 is tearing it up in this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Pedaltones Posted July 20, 2012 Members Share Posted July 20, 2012 It's really not as common as it seems for Americans to own guns in general. Besides the police, in my part of the country I last saw an actual gun being carried by someone when I was like 10. Isn't it illegal in most states to carry a visable sidearm and in only a few it is madatory? I wonder what the stats on gun ownership is. Although I'm sure less people own guns than don't, I remember a stat from Time that said there is more privately owned guns than people in the US. Also I'm not saying our {censored} doesn't stink here, it just stinks differently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members cryptosonic Posted July 20, 2012 Members Share Posted July 20, 2012 It's pretty much 1:1 correlation between guns and people in the US, with less than half the population owning those guns. There are ten or eleven open carry states. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members arthurdent'd Posted July 20, 2012 Members Share Posted July 20, 2012 what I have learned from this thread is that Crohny is an arrogant prick. The end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members crohny Posted July 20, 2012 Members Share Posted July 20, 2012 what I have learned from this thread is that Crohny is an arrogant prick. The end. Haha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members big_cat Posted July 20, 2012 Members Share Posted July 20, 2012 Assault rifles arne't used just for killing people. They are great for sport shooting which is done in controlled settings by capable people with a knack for gun safety. If you're going to regulate what can and can't be bought, you're over looking that any gun is just as deadly as the neck. Hunting rifle is just as deadly as an AK. The advantage of a magazine is rather frightening, but if someone really wants to you can be just as deadly with bolt action and pump. flat out wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members crohny Posted July 20, 2012 Members Share Posted July 20, 2012 flat out wrong. So a bullet from a hunting rifle will not kill you like an AK round? Not talking about the mechanics of the guns, talking about the out come of a bullet traveling from the barrel into a person. And a hunting rifle would be a better advantage at long range over an AK as well. Depends on the scenario at hand. Regardless, a bullet is a bullet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members 9520575 Posted July 20, 2012 Members Share Posted July 20, 2012 holy {censored} everybody shut the {censored} up. The king of tone. The details are being lost in your horse {censored} gun debate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members V Posted July 20, 2012 Members Share Posted July 20, 2012 So a bullet from a hunting rifle will not kill you like an AK round? Not talking about the mechanics of the guns, talking about the out come of a bullet traveling from the barrel into a person. And a hunting rifle would be a better advantage at long range over an AK as well. Depends on the scenario at hand. Regardless, a bullet is a bullet. Come on, man. You can carry a lot more bullets in an AK, shoot it faster, and reload it very easily. Whether or not the individual bullets are as deadly as one another would matter on the hunting rifle but I mean yeah a musket can kill you as well as a bullet but the mechanics of the gun are what make the major difference in the danger it poses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ItchyFingers Posted July 20, 2012 Members Share Posted July 20, 2012 I'll keep my McDonalds, WalMarts, Gap, baseball, NFL, rock and roll, internet, slavery, Starbucks, Disneyworld, porno, valium, Reeboks, fake tits, sushi, Taco Bell, rodeos, Bed Bath and Beyond, liberty, wax lips, the Alamo, band-aids, Las Vegas, Christmas, immigrants, Popeye, democrats, republicans, sportsmanship, and books. So lick my butt and suck on my balls. [video=youtube;MGQaH3-LK54] This message was brought to you by my arsenal of guns and pitbulls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Terminus Posted July 20, 2012 Members Share Posted July 20, 2012 what I have learned from this thread is that Crohny is an arrogant prick. The end. You're only getting that now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members big_cat Posted July 20, 2012 Members Share Posted July 20, 2012 So a bullet from a hunting rifle will not kill you like an AK round? Not talking about the mechanics of the guns, talking about the out come of a bullet traveling from the barrel into a person. And a hunting rifle would be a better advantage at long range over an AK as well. Depends on the scenario at hand. Regardless, a bullet is a bullet. the AK can fire 30 rounds (or even 75rd drum mag like the north hollywood bank robbers) as fast as you can pull the trigger. a typical bolt action hunting rifle can hold 4-5 rounds and the bolt must be worked between each shot. you can slap a fresh mag in an AK in seconds, the rounds must be individually loaded in a typical bolt action hunting rifle. it's not about the ability to kill a single person, you dim ****, it's about being able to fire off dozens of rounds and reload more in seconds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members arthurdent'd Posted July 20, 2012 Members Share Posted July 20, 2012 You're only getting that now? nah, I knew it, just some affirmation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members big_cat Posted July 20, 2012 Members Share Posted July 20, 2012 Come on, man. You can carry a lot more bullets in an AK, shoot it faster, and reload it very easily. Whether or not the individual bullets are as deadly as one another would matter on the hunting rifle but I mean yeah a musket can kill you as well as a bullet but the mechanics of the gun are what make the major difference in the danger it poses. by his logic a rock is as dangerous as a cruise missile because they can both kill a single person. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil O'Keefe Posted July 20, 2012 Share Posted July 20, 2012 Sure, but guns are far easier to kill people with than knives or explosives or crashing cars.Hollywood aside, firing a rifle accurately enough to hit what you're shooting at is something that takes a certain amount of training and practice, and that's even more true when it comes to using a pistol. I suspect there are more people in the USA with the skill needed to use a car effectively as a weapon than there are with the skill to use a firearm effectively as one. Those things also put you in significant danger yourself. It'd take some impressive specimen to knife 71 people and kill 12 of them. True - a trained attacker with a firearm can do a lot of damage, but don't rule out what can be done by a nut with a edged weapon. Osaka, 2001. Eight dead, fifteen injured, by one attacker with a kitchen knife. Absolutely people are naturally violent and will always hurt one another unless our brains are modified but some devices make that much easier. Some of those devices are laws.Sure, but laws generally are punitive, not preventative, although there are those who say that the threat of severe punishment (life without parole / death penalty) can act as a deterrent. I'm not entirely convinced that such deterrence is a factor in cases such as this one though. I do hope that this attacker is tried and convicted for his heinous crimes, but that's little consolation when the bullets are flying. While the attack is going down, I'd rather have the right and ability to defend myself, rather than only having the hope that he will eventually be captured, tried and convicted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Aristotle Posted July 20, 2012 Members Share Posted July 20, 2012 If you're an American without a gun you're an idiot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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