Members Freeman Keller Posted October 29, 2016 Members Share Posted October 29, 2016 Current project - the blond to be. Its a hollow bodied archtop electric - spruce over maple, rosewood trim, jazz pickups. I've been setting the neck and making sure everything lines up before I start cutting holes in the top. No skulls. I broke a whole lot of maple binding today trying to bend the horn - I'll probably end up binding it in plastic (damn) I'm not the slightest bit interested in doing another build thread but I might post a picture from time to time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Bucksstudent Posted October 29, 2016 Members Share Posted October 29, 2016 I really want to hear your guitars just as much as I want to see them. They're quite lovely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Freeman Keller Posted October 29, 2016 Author Members Share Posted October 29, 2016 Thanks, I have posted clips from time to time on the VOMIT at the acoustic forum. I'm primarily an acoustic player (and not a very good one at that). Its frankly pretty hard to get set up to record anything but I've been wanting to get some clips of the electrics Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members 1001gear Posted October 29, 2016 Members Share Posted October 29, 2016 I broke a whole lot of maple binding today trying to bend the horn - I'll probably end up binding it in plastic (damn) Would something like this work? [video=youtube;9Z0SsAyHKzc] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Freeman Keller Posted October 29, 2016 Author Members Share Posted October 29, 2016 That's pretty interesting but obviously not something I'm going to throw together to bend two pieces of maple. However anhydrous ammonia is used in commercial refrigeration (I happen to live in an agricultural area and we have lots of large cold storage). Its really dangerous (I think the guy in the movie was pretty lax about the dangers) but I might be able to do some experimenting. Since I do have several scraps of the maple now I think I will just put them in a jar of household ammonia hydroxide (completely different from anhydrous, I know) for a few days and see what happens Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Grant Harding Posted October 29, 2016 Members Share Posted October 29, 2016 That looks really cool. Look forward to seeing it finished if you post pictures. I totally understand if you're not the least bit interested in doing another build thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members 1001gear Posted October 29, 2016 Members Share Posted October 29, 2016 Keller's Pickled Purfling Available wherever fine guitars are sold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members gardo Posted November 1, 2016 Members Share Posted November 1, 2016 Wait a minute,where did this come from? One day you're asking for pics of blonds and a few days later there it is ,a new guitar coming together.I love it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Freeman Keller Posted November 1, 2016 Author Members Share Posted November 1, 2016 I got bored. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Freeman Keller Posted November 3, 2016 Author Members Share Posted November 3, 2016 This is a follow up on the binding and 1001's suggestion about ammonia. The binding question needed to get resolved since a whole lot of things depended on it (including whether she would be a blond or maybe have some roots showing). My idea here was to bind the guitar in maple like the back and sides with one thin dark (rosewood) purfling line on the top and one on the back. The maple will take whatever color I put on the wood and it would have figure that follows that of the sides. At least that is the idea. My ace in the hole is always to bind it with cream plastic - Gibson style - but I want something a little more elegant. Problem is, figured maple is darn hard to bend - it wants to crack at the figure lines. It was pretty straight forward to bend the big curves with my side bender but the horn is the problem - I have to resort to my hot pipe Its just a piece of 2 inch pipe with a blow torch stuck in it and a wet towel on top. Problem is, every time I tried to bend a piece it cracked. I tried 1001gear's idea of soaking it over night in ammonia hydroxide (I don't happen to have a bottle of anhydrous ammonia handy) Not only did the soaked pieces break also (they seemed a little softer) but they also turned dark brown - not the effect I wanted. I also had to explain to my wife why her ammonia now looked like vinegar .... I had a few more pieces of maple so I made a cleaver little jig using a socket and scrap wood and tried again and, bingo, got some usable pieces Just what I had in mind OK, now I can move forward with the fun stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members badpenguin Posted November 3, 2016 Members Share Posted November 3, 2016 Ummm, wow? Simply wow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members t_e_l_e Posted November 3, 2016 Members Share Posted November 3, 2016 i'll be happy for every post you make Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members gardo Posted November 4, 2016 Members Share Posted November 4, 2016 I couldn't agree more Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members t_e_l_e Posted November 4, 2016 Members Share Posted November 4, 2016 here is me playing his first es, i'm sloppy as hell and boring to ´watch for 5 minutes, but you get the idea: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members u6crash Posted November 5, 2016 Members Share Posted November 5, 2016 The binding seemed fun to me... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Freeman Keller Posted November 6, 2016 Author Members Share Posted November 6, 2016 Most of the time it is fun, its a chance to be creative. This was not fun - I spent the better part of a day leaning over that blow torch until I finally got it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Freeman Keller Posted November 7, 2016 Author Members Share Posted November 7, 2016 The binding seemed fun to me... Knowing that the binding was going to work was critical to moving forward - that lets me go ahead and bind the headstock, neck and f-holes ] The other important thing is that little block that will form the wedge between the body and fretboard extension. It is kind of a study in multidimensional frustration. It has to be exactly the plane and angle of the fretboard (4 degrees if anyone is interested), it has to fit the fretboard on both sides (which run at an angle to each other) and fit the side of the cutaway, all the time being on the center line of the guitar. Oh, yes, it is also part of the dovetail and has to sit on the top of the guitar which is not only curved but also not symetrical Just a simple little block of wood.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members t_e_l_e Posted November 7, 2016 Members Share Posted November 7, 2016 that now already looks like a beauty and i can feel your multidimensional pain, if i would need to make something like that, it would not plain on the top, would not be straight with the neck, hmm nothing would be as it should be.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Ratae Corieltauvorum Posted November 8, 2016 Moderators Share Posted November 8, 2016 Freeman, how thick did you leave the maple binding for the neck? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Freeman Keller Posted November 8, 2016 Author Members Share Posted November 8, 2016 All of the binding on the body, neck and headstock is 1/4 tall and 0.080 thick. On the body there is a strip of rosewood 0.022 thick on the inside and the bottom of the binding - that is the thin dark line. On the neck and headstock that strip is on the bottom where it will form a line against the mahogany of the neck but not against the fretboard or headplate because they are already rosewood. I've put a piece of the rosewood on the edges of the f-holes, I think I want to add a thin piece of maple to bind that and I'll carry that over to the rosewood pickguard (bind it in thin maple). I'll take a better picture of the binding scheme when I get the f-holes finished. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Ratae Corieltauvorum Posted November 8, 2016 Moderators Share Posted November 8, 2016 LMII? 6mm x 2mm would be perfect, I just want it to bind a black korina solid body and it's ebony fingerboarded neck and possibly the headstock....and then I'm going to use 6 x 2mm aluminium as a body binding on a guitar inspired by the new Yamaha Revstar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Freeman Keller Posted November 8, 2016 Author Members Share Posted November 8, 2016 Here is what I use http://www.lmii.com/products/mostly-wood/bindings-purflings/wood-binding http://www.lmii.com/products/mostly-wood/bindings-purflings/wood-strips-for-purfling-trim BI1R for the binding, PF4 for the trim lines For plastic and fiber binding StewMac has a much better selection, for wood I like LMI. Wood can be glued with either wood glue or CA, plastic requires CA or one of the special glues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Freeman Keller Posted November 9, 2016 Author Members Share Posted November 9, 2016 Another picture of the weird wedge Pretty obvious the neck pickup ring is going to be a little funky too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Freeman Keller Posted November 17, 2016 Author Members Share Posted November 17, 2016 Made some progress. Got the electrickity done Made a pickguard and bound it, bound the f-holes, did some inlay and frets Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members t_e_l_e Posted November 17, 2016 Members Share Posted November 17, 2016 sweet im thinking about buying a warmoth strat body and neck and put the hardware parts of my unloved mia strat on it... not really building but i'm in the market for a "new" guitar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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