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  • #76
    Originally posted by guido61 View Post
    Was cranking the new 5.1 surround mix of the album yesterday. Pretty damn cool!

    Is it really worth $117 to have the 5.1 surround? I wish they would just release it as a single disk like Gentle Giant and Yes Fragile. They are sold as a single disk for like $25 and well worth it.
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    • #77
      Originally posted by gubu View Post
      No, it's wrong. I don't like it.

      Kill it.

      Kill it with fire.

      The unorthodox panning was one of the things that made this album so great in the first place. I don't care that everything sounds a bit clearer on these new remixes (does it really? The bass guitar doesn't). It's all in the wrong place, and the magic fairy dust is conspicuous by its absence.

      If Sir George Martin were alive today, he'd give his son a deserved slap upside the head.

      I'm down as far as Lovely Rita, and I've winced my way through every single track.

      Never heard anything so wrong in my entire life.


      *fetches original CD release to cleanse ears, HiFi, and air in the building*

      hmmm.... I think Sir George Martin would be very pleased with his son Giles` work. I was reading a very interesting with George Martin from 1989 or `88... the CD was just blooming and he was talking about how exciting it was to have such high fidelity. He mentioned how The Beatles would have embraced digital and stereo... so I`m not so sure that he would have slapped his son. As Giles` mentions in the interview below, this got Paul and Ringo`s approval and its what they would have done if the technology was there in `66-`67.

      Check out this NPR interview... (my apologies if it was already posted)

      http://www.npr.org/sections/allsongs...oject-explains

      I had no clue George Martin lost his hearing in the last years of his life... I was sad to hear that... what a curse for us musicians.

      I`m not the biggest fan so I`m not really all that impressed with the stereo version either. These recordings reveal to me the inaccurate singing of Paul and John... I know I know... I get into a lot of trouble when I say this stuff but I hear the poor singing tone, the slightly out of tune vocals... its not very pretty. However, I know this stuff really thrills many so... I guess its good to keep rehashing the past?

      And I know so many people drool over the technological achievements of the record but I think thats the wrong reason to celebrate a record. Its sort of like celebrating the computer technology that got us to the moon in `69 instead of the actual event...

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      • #79
        I love the new mixes. It was done lovingly. It's much clearer and more vibrant, and enhances my appreciation for the songs. The Beatles aren't my favorite band (although if they had done mostly psychedelic stuff, they might well be up there!), and this isn't my favorite album, but it really does sound quite a bit better, and not in a horrible, artificial manner, but in a very respectful manner. This is especially true with the songs with strings, particularly "A Day In The Life".
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        • #80
          It's a fine remix
          smoke - new album
          the mirror - album
          storm - album
          the asylum - forum

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          • #81
            Originally posted by Mark L View Post
            It's a fine remix
            Well said Mark.Really says it all, succinctly.
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            • #82
              Originally posted by Ernest Buckley View Post


              hmmm.... I think Sir George Martin would be very pleased with his son Giles` work. I was reading a very interesting with George Martin from 1989 or `88... the CD was just blooming and he was talking about how exciting it was to have such high fidelity. He mentioned how The Beatles would have embraced digital and stereo... so I`m not so sure that he would have slapped his son. As Giles` mentions in the interview below, this got Paul and Ringo`s approval and its what they would have done if the technology was there in `66-`67.

              Check out this NPR interview... (my apologies if it was already posted)

              http://www.npr.org/sections/allsongs...oject-explains

              I had no clue George Martin lost his hearing in the last years of his life... I was sad to hear that... what a curse for us musicians.

              I`m not the biggest fan so I`m not really all that impressed with the stereo version either. These recordings reveal to me the inaccurate singing of Paul and John... I know I know... I get into a lot of trouble when I say this stuff but I hear the poor singing tone, the slightly out of tune vocals... its not very pretty. However, I know this stuff really thrills many so... I guess its good to keep rehashing the past?

              And I know so many people drool over the technological achievements of the record but I think thats the wrong reason to celebrate a record. Its sort of like celebrating the computer technology that got us to the moon in `69 instead of the actual event...
              Of course, my opinion is wholly subjective. Sgt. Pepper is one of the reasons why I started making recordings of my own as a young teenager, and to me, giving it a 21st century top-40 style stereo mix, and some polish and fidelity, is all kinds of wrong.

              The record was a perfect piece of art as it was. Would you be OK with a Van Gogh or a Picasso being recomposed in this way, as anything more than an academic experiment? This new mix will apparently replace the original stereo mix in the Beatles' catalogue, and that is also all kinds of wrong, imho.

              Also, technically, sonically, and aesthetically, yes, I suppose it's interesting to hear some of the elements a little more clearly, but the bass guitar in particular, has none of the punch and dynamics that it has on the original recording. And, to my ears at least, the new mixes, for all their polish, lack the gel and magic of the original mixes.

              This was most notable for me on Within You, Without You. Yes, the remix is remarkably clear sounding. The string section is a revelation, but it quite misses the rather delicious movement and dynamics of the arrangement, which were so beautifully represented on the original mix, and are what makes that track so appealing to the ears in the first place.

              I have to say, I don't care to hear these remixes again. And I'm glad I still have the original version on CD.

              ^^^^^^wholly subjective - don't have a cow! I WISH I had Giles Martin's mixing chops
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              • #83
                Originally posted by gubu View Post

                Of course, my opinion is wholly subjective. Sgt. Pepper is one of the reasons why I started making recordings of my own as a young teenager, and to me, giving it a 21st century top-40 style stereo mix, and some polish and fidelity, is all kinds of wrong.

                The record was a perfect piece of art as it was. Would you be OK with a Van Gogh or a Picasso being recomposed in this way, as anything more than an academic experiment? This new mix will apparently replace the original stereo mix in the Beatles' catalogue, and that is also all kinds of wrong, imho.

                Also, technically, sonically, and aesthetically, yes, I suppose it's interesting to hear some of the elements a little more clearly, but the bass guitar in particular, has none of the punch and dynamics that it has on the original recording. And, to my ears at least, the new mixes, for all their polish, lack the gel and magic of the original mixes.

                This was most notable for me on Within You, Without You. Yes, the remix is remarkably clear sounding. The string section is a revelation, but it quite misses the rather delicious movement and dynamics of the arrangement, which were so beautifully represented on the original mix, and are what makes that track so appealing to the ears in the first place.

                I have to say, I don't care to hear these remixes again. And I'm glad I still have the original version on CD.

                ^^^^^^wholly subjective - don't have a cow! I WISH I had Giles Martin's mixing chops
                I wish you had his ears.
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                Reprehensible as it was, gassing was a conventional and accepted method for execution at the time. It is a stretch to equivocate the two.

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                • #84
                  Originally posted by E-money View Post

                  I wish you had his ears.
                  There's no need to get personal. I don't like the new mixes.

                  Don't have a cow
                  Last edited by gubu; 06-19-2017, 05:25 AM.
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                  • #85
                    Originally posted by gubu View Post

                    There's no need to get personal. I don't like the new mixes.

                    Don't have a cow

                    I actually agree with you about the bass sounding better on the old mixes, but I think it's outweighed by all of the other improvements.
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                    Maybe we can all just agree that Bush was stupid and Cheney was lying and call it a day. - guitarcapo

                    Originally posted by Grumpy_Polecat View Post
                    For the record: Hitler using gas to exterminate his presumed enemies does not equal the use of chemical weapons.
                    Reprehensible as it was, gassing was a conventional and accepted method for execution at the time. It is a stretch to equivocate the two.

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                    • #86
                      Originally posted by KB Gunn View Post


                      Is it really worth $117 to have the 5.1 surround? I wish they would just release it as a single disk like Gentle Giant and Yes Fragile. They are sold as a single disk for like $25 and well worth it.
                      No it's not worth $117 just for the surround. And yes, I wish they would sell it separately too. But it's a nice set with all the outtakes, book and packaging.
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                      • #87
                        Originally posted by KB Gunn View Post


                        Is it really worth $117 to have the 5.1 surround? I wish they would just release it as a single disk like Gentle Giant and Yes Fragile. They are sold as a single disk for like $25 and well worth it.
                        I wonder how many people even have surround sound systems set up for music listening anymore? I know they were big a while back for home theater, but I never got the impression that they were being used for music playback that often, or by a decent percentage of consumers.

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                        - George Carlin

                        "It shouldn't be expected that people are necessarily doing what they appear to be doing on records."

                        - Sir George Martin, All You Need Is Ears

                        "The music business will be revitalized by musicians, not the labels or Live Nation. When the musicians decide to put music first, instead of money, the public will flock to the fruits and the scene will be healthy again."

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                        • #88
                          Originally posted by Phil O'Keefe View Post

                          I wonder how many people even have surround sound systems set up for music listening anymore? I know they were big a while back for home theater, but I never got the impression that they were being used for music playback that often, or by a decent percentage of consumers.
                          Did they release a version that is Quad compatible?
                          There are probably more people rocking leftover Quadraphonic systems just because they were too lazy to remove them or too caught-up in the 70s.
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                          Politics are like sports, where both teams suck

                          Maybe we can all just agree that Bush was stupid and Cheney was lying and call it a day. - guitarcapo

                          Originally posted by Grumpy_Polecat View Post
                          For the record: Hitler using gas to exterminate his presumed enemies does not equal the use of chemical weapons.
                          Reprehensible as it was, gassing was a conventional and accepted method for execution at the time. It is a stretch to equivocate the two.

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                          • #89
                            Originally posted by E-money View Post
                            Did they release a version that is Quad compatible?
                            Apparently someone did some work on a quad mix, but AFAIK it was never finished or released. I've never even heard of bootlegs of it, much less heard any of it.


                            http://www.quadraphonicquad.com/foru...-Mixed-in-Quad



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                            "Look at it this way: think of how stupid the average person is, and then realize half of 'em are stupider than that."

                            - George Carlin

                            "It shouldn't be expected that people are necessarily doing what they appear to be doing on records."

                            - Sir George Martin, All You Need Is Ears

                            "The music business will be revitalized by musicians, not the labels or Live Nation. When the musicians decide to put music first, instead of money, the public will flock to the fruits and the scene will be healthy again."

                            - Bob Lefsetz, The Lefsetz Letter

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                            • #90
                              Originally posted by Phil O'Keefe View Post

                              I wonder how many people even have surround sound systems set up for music listening anymore? I know they were big a while back for home theater, but I never got the impression that they were being used for music playback that often, or by a decent percentage of consumers.

                              There are many users of 5.1 surround for movies. My own Polk mini speaker system cost cost $350 and it sounds great with DTS and Dolby ATMOS soundtracks. I have 2 recordings mentioned above that are packaged just for such systems. I can't listen to Fragile by Yes in regular stereo anymore. They are available online at Amazon and home theater websites. The TV is used for still pics and/or lyrics scrolling in real time.
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                              www.kbgunn.com

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