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t_e_l_e Newbie

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why the "hate", in some sense robo is right.

here in austria we don't have the culture where pubs are playing regular live music and they all filled up with cover bands which get "lots of money" for their gigs.

 

it doesn't matter if you are an original band or a cover band here, you have to organize your gigs by yourself. finding the venues, the booking, the advertising, most of the time the venue wants money from you that you can play, they want a guarantee that you bring at least x people on the date (where x is bigger than 50), you need to manage the door, collect money from your friends (almost nobody else would show up anyhow) to at least cover up your expenses.

 

so after some gigs, after 5 or 10, either none of your friends will show up anymore, cause you suck or are not soo impressive, that seeing every show is an absolute must.

or (very seldom) your friends are still coming and they bring some more people to see you, cause they like what you do and want to see more, and word to mouth is somehow working. and then you are still faaaar away from having it made, cause you still need to organize everything by yourself. maybe the word to mouth becomes so good that you can do bigger venues, get one or the other invite to play there or there.

 

but you need to record an album in high quality, get some more popularity out of town (organize your own small village tour), hope that one of the albums song get at least played once on the radio and maybe some years after all this work someone in the media calls you somewhere a new "talent"

and you can have also a number one hit (as a friends band had a couple of years ago in austrian radio), do 55 shows a year everywhere in middle europe (driving your bus, mostly organized by yourself) and still need to keep your half time job cause you can't make a living out of music, even if you are good.

 

therefore for original bands first thing to do is, to improve themselves as much as they can, as a musician, as a songwriter, as a promoter etc and put a lots of hard work into it, and stop wondering and asking yourselves what others should to do, that you get more gigs and/or publicity.

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I think the more accurate explanation is that supply exceeds demand. Everyone is in a band, all clamoring to be on a stage. Venues here aren't going to be pay you when there are two dozen other bands willing to play that night for free.

 

But if you got in this for the money, that's your own god damn fault for being disappointed.

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market separates the wheat from the chaff.

 

 

This is a myth. I think a more accurate statement is "Market rewards entertainment product that has wide, mainstream appeal and resonates with the lowest common denominator." Think about all the bands that have only gotten critical recognition years after they broke up. The Stooges' "Raw Power" was released in May 1973, when Tony Orlando's "Tie A Yellow Ribbon 'round The Ole Oak Tree" was the number one single in the US. Which one received greater commercial recognition at the time, and which one continues to be relevant and influential today?

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This is a myth. I think a more accurate statement is "Market rewards entertainment product that has wide, mainstream appeal and resonates with the lowest common denominator." Think about all the bands that have only gotten critical recognition years after they broke up. The Stooges' "Raw Power" was released in May 1973, when Tony Orlando's "Tie A Yellow Ribbon 'round The Ole Oak Tree" was the number one single in the US. Which one received greater commercial recognition at the time, and which one continues to be relevant and influential today?

 

 

I was being facetious.

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why the "hate", in some sense robo is right.

here in austria we don't have the culture where pubs are playing regular live music and they all filled up with cover bands which get "lots of money" for their gigs.


it doesn't matter if you are an original band or a cover band here, you have to organize your gigs by yourself. finding the venues, the booking, the advertising, most of the time the venue wants money from you that you can play, they want a guarantee that you bring at least x people on the date (where x is bigger than 50), you need to manage the door, collect money from your friends (almost nobody else would show up anyhow) to at least cover up your expenses.


so after some gigs, after 5 or 10, either none of your friends will show up anymore, cause you suck or are not soo impressive, that seeing every show is an absolute must.

or (very seldom) your friends are still coming and they bring some more people to see you, cause they like what you do and want to see more, and word to mouth is somehow working. and then you are still faaaar away from having it made, cause you still need to organize everything by yourself. maybe the word to mouth becomes so good that you can do bigger venues, get one or the other invite to play there or there.


but you need to record an album in high quality, get some more popularity out of town (organize your own small village tour), hope that one of the albums song get at least played once on the radio and maybe some years after all this work someone in the media calls you somewhere a new "talent"

and you can have also a number one hit (as a friends band had a couple of years ago in austrian radio), do 55 shows a year everywhere in middle europe (driving your bus, mostly organized by yourself) and still need to keep your half time job cause you can't make a living out of music, even if you are good.


therefore for original bands first thing to do is, to improve themselves as much as they can, as a musician, as a songwriter, as a promoter etc and put a lots of hard work into it, and stop wondering and asking yourselves what others should to do, that you get more gigs and/or publicity.

 

 

As a Canadian singer-songwriter that tours Europe once or twice a year, with Austria being a common stop, I always wondered about the local scenes. I find I get treated amazingly while in Europe, with good pay, meals, drinks, and hotel/accoms all being provided. There's usually a promoter behind the show as well. It sounds like local scenes are the same everywhere - your Austrian one being what I see as the Canadian one.

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