Members Vince Posted March 21, 2012 Members Share Posted March 21, 2012 I think it's a perfectly valid point. Non-Christians are generally the ones who start religious debates in P&W threads. As has been said many times already in this thread, if you don't like P&W threads, stay out of them. It would be unfair to ban the term just because some people wade in and start a {censored}-storm. P&W musicians have specific gear needs whether you agree with them or their religious beliefs - why shouldn't they be allowed to ask questions relating to their gear needs? I'm happy to listen to your view as long as it is related to the point of this thread... This isn't about bashing religion, but eliminating a term that serves no functional descriptive, but causes divisiveness Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Beyer160 Posted March 21, 2012 Members Share Posted March 21, 2012 I honestly don't understand why "P&W" is considered a genre, since it describes lyrical content and not musical style. Seriously, is "love songs" a genre? Like, "I play in a Love Songs band, what kind of delay do I need?" I just don't get it. I don't think it should be a taboo topic though, I'm more of a "freedom of" rather than "freedom from" kinda guy. However, that also means "P&W" shouldn't be off-limits for butthurt, either. Metal, white boy blooze and wimpy indie rock get plenty of crap, singing about Jebus shouldn't automatically earn you a pass. Can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Krallum Posted March 21, 2012 Members Share Posted March 21, 2012 Inside the AA church, there are distinct music styles (mainly organ styles) based purely on the denomination. I can see it being a genre. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members NoRomoFan Posted March 21, 2012 Members Share Posted March 21, 2012 hey they're imposing their aethiest religion on me. I need special privileges because I'm now a victim...wahhhhh sarcasm alert... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members NoRomoFan Posted March 21, 2012 Members Share Posted March 21, 2012 I'm an atheist and I think we should just leave the p&w people alone. I don't like to seeing people being picked on. If someone starts a thread you don't like just don't post in it and let it drop. Ultimate freedom of speech! Except for that word "butthurt", that word ought to be banned. You're a good man. And likewise we'll do the same for you if you want to discuss atheism in a non-hostile manner. We can love our atheist brothers too... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members NoRomoFan Posted March 21, 2012 Members Share Posted March 21, 2012 I think it's a perfectly valid point. Non-Christians are generally the ones who start religious debates in P&W threads. As has been said many times already in this thread, if you don't like P&W threads, stay out of them. It would be unfair to ban the term just because some people wade in and start a {censored}-storm.P&W musicians have specific gear needs whether you agree with them or their religious beliefs - why shouldn't they be allowed to ask questions relating to their gear needs? That's on topic. We do use different gear for our music style. Perfect examples are delays, overdrives, and the type amps we use. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members NoRomoFan Posted March 21, 2012 Members Share Posted March 21, 2012 Religion and p&w are not the same thing on thus forum anymore Phil which is why I'm an hoping to open your eyes to a good idea to improve this place.Raging on each other about metal or cats or even religious dogma usually goes as well as to be expected from the Internet, but "p&w" frankly is becoming "n-word varient" ... A typed group of letters that exceed normalcy in response here.Please ponder this, there is no negative impact to eliminating said phrasing here just as n word varients bring stopped haven't caused a free speech black hole- it is just proactive betterment to discourse and purpose here. that's doublespeak for "we don't like your kind comin' round heaah..." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members english_bob Posted March 21, 2012 Members Share Posted March 21, 2012 Raging on each other about metal or cats or even religious dogma usually goes as well as to be expected from the Internet, but "p&w" frankly is becoming "n-word varient" ... A typed group of letters that exceed normalcy in response here.Exceed normalcy in response from who? And what does that actually mean? My experience has been that P&W threads get on just fine until the spaghetti monster people start trolling. IMO there are more people here who play P&W and can talk sensibly about it than there are anti-religious trolls who can't resist {censored}ting on those threads, so if you're really concerned with retaining as much freedom of speech as possible, why not suggest that we discourage trolling rather than stop talking about topics that attract trolls? If anything, yours is the response that's "exceeding normalcy". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members hangwire Posted March 21, 2012 Author Members Share Posted March 21, 2012 What are they? And if it avoids the {censored}storm is it much harder to ask for a lush organ like chorus as opposed to saying "a p&w chorus"? I also feel that people who would try and sneak in the p & w text in posts via "VV" or other trickery would be exposed for their blatant disruption and fostering personal attacks, which again would be another win in helping the forum I think it's a perfectly valid point. Non-Christians are generally the ones who start religious debates in P&W threads. As has been said many times already in this thread, if you don't like P&W threads, stay out of them. It would be unfair to ban the term just because some people wade in and start a {censored}-storm.P&W musicians have specific gear needs whether you agree with them or their religious beliefs - why shouldn't they be allowed to ask questions relating to their gear needs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members six acre lake Posted March 21, 2012 Members Share Posted March 21, 2012 What's going on in here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members onyxrhino Posted March 21, 2012 Members Share Posted March 21, 2012 I'm happy to listen to your view as long as it is related to the point of this thread... This isn't about bashing religion, but eliminating a term that serves no functional descriptive, but causes divisiveness like "gay"? sexual preference has nothing to do with detailed gear discussion (which is all we're here for, right?), so I guess we should ban any mention of homosexuality too, huh? my tubescreamer has no gender, damn it!And yeah, this thread has nothing to do with your issues with christianity. It's just the term you're concerned about. You just want to help this forum. You just want everyone to get along and you've determined that we can accomplish that by censoring the people who have different views than you. Wow, that's convenient. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members NoRomoFan Posted March 21, 2012 Members Share Posted March 21, 2012 like "gay"? sexual preference has nothing to do with detailed gear discussion (which is all we're here for, right?), so I guess we should ban any mention of homosexuality too, huh? my tubescreamer has no gender, damn it!And yeah, this thread has nothing to do with your issues with christianity. It's just the term you're concerned about. You just want to help this forum. You just want everyone to get along and you've determined that we can accomplish that by censoring the people who have different views than you. Wow, that's convenient. I hear ya. Way too many legalize gay marriage posts in here lately. I just go to the next forum or post. I don't ask for it to be banned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members english_bob Posted March 21, 2012 Members Share Posted March 21, 2012 I don't think it should be a taboo topic though, I'm more of a "freedom of" rather than "freedom from" kinda guy. However, that also means "P&W" shouldn't be off-limits for butthurt, either. Metal, white boy blooze and wimpy indie rock get plenty of crap, singing about Jebus shouldn't automatically earn you a pass. Can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen. I'd agree if it weren't for the level of trolling that P&W seems to attract, and the unpleasantness of it, over and above what happens in any other genre threads here. It's generally the troll posts that drag those threads from discussion specifically about P&W music in to arguments about religion more generally, which never end well (and are against site rules in any case). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members english_bob Posted March 21, 2012 Members Share Posted March 21, 2012 What's going on in here?Nothing to see here son. Better if you move along. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Fender&EHX4ever Posted March 21, 2012 Members Share Posted March 21, 2012 I love U2 and Coldplay ... and The Edge's guitar toanz. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Beyer160 Posted March 21, 2012 Members Share Posted March 21, 2012 like "gay"? sexual preference has nothing to do with detailed gear discussion (which is all we're here for, right?), so I guess we should ban any mention of homosexuality too, huh? my tubescreamer has no gender, damn it! I don't see too many threads using "gay" as a musical genre. What dirt box is best for a gay band? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Beyer160 Posted March 21, 2012 Members Share Posted March 21, 2012 I'd agree if it weren't for the level of trolling that P&W seems to attract, and the unpleasantness of it, over and above what happens in any other genre threads here. It's generally the troll posts that drag those threads from discussion specifically about P&W music in to arguments about religion more generally, which never end well (and are against site rules in any case). Well, if the OP wants to bring religion into the discussion by specifically mentioning "P&W", then they shouldn't be surprised when it gets discussed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members renula Posted March 21, 2012 Members Share Posted March 21, 2012 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members onyxrhino Posted March 21, 2012 Members Share Posted March 21, 2012 I don't see too many threads using "gay" as a musical genre. What dirt box is best for a gay band? i don't understand your point. are you saying we shouldn't ban use of the word "gay" or "homosexual" because they aren't musical genres (though there are gay punk bands that would disagree), but we should ban "P&W" here on this music forum, because it is a music genre? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members goodhonk Posted March 21, 2012 Members Share Posted March 21, 2012 I play guitar at my church and I avoid discussing it out of fear of personal attacks. Would be great to get other church players opinions about gear, but I guess this isn't the place for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members goodhonk Posted March 21, 2012 Members Share Posted March 21, 2012 Also, hang wire, is this why you avoided me when you were in town? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members english_bob Posted March 21, 2012 Members Share Posted March 21, 2012 Well, if the OP wants to bring religion into the discussion by specifically mentioning "P&W", then they shouldn't be surprised when it gets discussed. "Discussion" would be something. What usually happens is that someone with an axe to grind turns up to make deliberately offensive statements and derails the thread. Who's at fault? The person who started a legitimate thread or the person who couldn't resist behaving in ways calculated to cause offense? If your threads get trolled, is it your fault? Isn't this the same sort of logic that says that if women wear short skirts they shouldn't be surprised when they get raped? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members renula Posted March 21, 2012 Members Share Posted March 21, 2012 Also, hang wire, is this why you avoided me when you were in town? well played sir. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Hiwatt Bob Posted March 21, 2012 Members Share Posted March 21, 2012 Can we post Creaster threads? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Beyer160 Posted March 21, 2012 Members Share Posted March 21, 2012 i don't understand your point. are you saying we shouldn't ban use of the word "gay" or "homosexual" because they aren't musical genres (though there are gay punk bands that would disagree), but we should ban "P&W" here on this music forum, because it is a music genre? If you'd read my earlier post, you'd see that I don't favor banning anything. To me, "P&W" is no more a music genre than "gay" is (you demonstrated this yourself by referring to "gay punk bands"- "gay" music can be anything from Pansy Division to Phranc), and no one's trying to say "gay" is a genre. In short, I was pointing out that your comparison was faulty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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