Members Y0UNGBL00D Posted August 8, 2012 Members Share Posted August 8, 2012 how come the M5 is $199 but the individual modelers are $250? i was under the impression that the functionality of all of the controls of the individual modelers remained intact in the M5/9/13 series. bottom line, my fm4 could use a replacement and ive always wanted a dl4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members hugbot Posted August 8, 2012 Members Share Posted August 8, 2012 m5 only does 1 thing at a time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members thom Posted August 8, 2012 Members Share Posted August 8, 2012 m5 only does 1 thing at a time.:poke:And the DL4/FL4/DM4 doesn't?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members TomCTC Posted August 8, 2012 Members Share Posted August 8, 2012 The XX-4 series pedals are outdated, so their prices haven't really moved much in the last 10-15 years. The M5 can get you most of what those modellers do, but it won't be able to loop ala DL-4. If you're going to drop $250, get a used M9 instead IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Faldoe Posted August 8, 2012 Members Share Posted August 8, 2012 Its interesting that the 4 series pedals still sell at that price point - especially if they're outdated. Makes sense to drop the price on them...I still think the delays on the Dl-4 sound better than on the M9. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Y0UNGBL00D Posted August 8, 2012 Author Members Share Posted August 8, 2012 thats what im saying. the prices confuse me. i only generally use one fm4 preset per song, so the m5/m9 would do the trick. and tyhe fm4 doesnt have looping or anything that isnt directly and normally controlled with the pots and switches. but i figured that a) the m series would be way more expensive than they are and b) the dl4, fm 4 etc would drop in price significantly. neither of these happened. i would also be interested in a fm4 rerelease in a smaller, more attractive package. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil O'Keefe Posted August 8, 2012 Share Posted August 8, 2012 Outside of maybe the DL4 (since it has looping), I can't imagine Line 6 is moving a ton of the four button modellers anymore - not for $250, and not when you can get an M5 includes the sounds from ALL of them for $199. I sold my MM4 when I got my M9. It was redundant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members TomCTC Posted August 8, 2012 Members Share Posted August 8, 2012 thats what im saying. the prices confuse me. i only generally use one fm4 preset per song, so the m5/m9 would do the trick. and tyhe fm4 doesnt have looping or anything that isnt directly and normally controlled with the pots and switches. but i figured that a) the m series would be way more expensive than they are and b) the dl4, fm 4 etc would drop in price significantly. neither of these happened. i would also be interested in a fm4 rerelease in a smaller, more attractive package. Sounds like the M5 is in your immediate future then. Go forth and FILTER! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Y0UNGBL00D Posted August 8, 2012 Author Members Share Posted August 8, 2012 i think i will.. sexier too, imo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Zooey Posted August 8, 2012 Members Share Posted August 8, 2012 I work for companies who do manufacturing--including in the musical instrument space. I bet the reason that the original modeling pedals are more expensive is because they have higher COGS. The enclosure alone must be fairly expensive. The newer pedals have more processing power, but are cheaper to manufacture. They're probably not even made by the same contract manufacturer. Companies tend to drive down manufacturing costs over time, and the M5 series is the result of 10 years of cost reductions. Anyway--that's my guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members chrisjnyc Posted August 8, 2012 Members Share Posted August 8, 2012 I don't think outdated is the right term... The same guts ones of the 4 series are in the M5M9M13 and POD HD's. Line 6 sells a ton of DL4's for $250. Why would you drop the price if you are making money hand over fist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Cirrus Posted August 9, 2012 Members Share Posted August 9, 2012 I work for companies who do manufacturing--including in the musical instrument space. I bet the reason that the original modeling pedals are more expensive is because they have higher COGS. The enclosure alone must be fairly expensive. The newer pedals have more processing power, but are cheaper to manufacture. They're probably not even made by the same contract manufacturer. Companies tend to drive down manufacturing costs over time, and the M5 series is the result of 10 years of cost reductions. Anyway--that's my guess. This is what I thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members english_bob Posted August 9, 2012 Members Share Posted August 9, 2012 I bet the reason that the original modeling pedals are more expensive is because they have higher COGS.For the benefit of those of us who don't work in the manufacturing industry, what are COGS? Cost Of Gluing Stuff?Chinese Orphan Gang Shepherding?Cheap Overseas Globalisation Slavery? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members dZjupp Posted August 9, 2012 Members Share Posted August 9, 2012 I've always wondered this myself but if you put it in light with Boss, they still make a bunch of crap they have for a long long time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Faldoe Posted August 9, 2012 Members Share Posted August 9, 2012 I don't think outdated is the right term... The same guts ones of the 4 series are in the M5M9M13 and POD HD's. Line 6 sells a ton of DL4's for $250. Why would you drop the price if you are making money hand over fist. I don't know about the same guts.. but yes, good point about the continuous sale of the DL-4s - if they're still selling, why change the price. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members elsupermanny14 Posted August 9, 2012 Members Share Posted August 9, 2012 For the benefit of those of us who don't work in the manufacturing industry, what are COGS? Cost Of Gluing Stuff? Chinese Orphan Gang Shepherding? Cheap Overseas Globalisation Slavery? Cost Of Goods Sold. It is exactly what the name implies, it's the costs associated with making, storing (inventory), and selling your goods/products. Your labor, materials, shipping, warehousing, overhead, etc. You realize the cost upon selling your goods/products. I do agree with the two prior statements of possible lower COGS in the M-line pedals due to different manufacturer, better relationships and increased purchases with suppliers, and the second idea of price elasticity. If you are not losing demand with your current price, then why lower it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members hugbot Posted August 9, 2012 Members Share Posted August 9, 2012 I remember a line 4 rep being quoted as saying they were really timid about replacing or updating the DL4 as its so ubiquitous and still sells well. "Its our tubescreamer" was the line. e; lol line 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil O'Keefe Posted August 9, 2012 Share Posted August 9, 2012 For the benefit of those of us who don't work in the manufacturing industry, what are COGS? Cost Of Gluing Stuff? Chinese Orphan Gang Shepherding? Cheap Overseas Globalisation Slavery? I think it stands for "Cost of Goods Sold." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Zooey Posted August 9, 2012 Members Share Posted August 9, 2012 For the benefit of those of us who don't work in the manufacturing industry, what are COGS? Cost Of Gluing Stuff? Chinese Orphan Gang Shepherding? Cheap Overseas Globalisation Slavery? These are better than the real definition! When I first started working with product managers and program managers years ago, I made a cheat sheet to decipher all the acronyms. Actually, that was the second thing I did--first I had to figure out what the hell a program manager was. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Program_management Those guys use more acronyms than the military. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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