California legislation to legalise pot

[amplayer]

 

Studies have shown that people who don't smoke are more likely to be uptight.

 

 

That could be true, but I am sceptical. Do you have a source to back it up?

 

Anyways, my own personal studies have shown that people who smoke dope regularly are much more likely not to give a F*** about much of anything.

[ew_]

Smoking weed doesn't automatically make you a retard incapable of activity. Some people have enhanced talents, perceptions, and focusing abilities when smoking reefer. Some people perform better when they smoke.

I used to supervise crews that did commercial inventories. In the three districts that covered the Twin Cities area, over 3/4 of the supervisors smoked before going to work. And in the high pressure, "superstar" crews that were assigned to really finicky stores, the percentage of people who were high on the job was close to 90%.

 

However, I'll admit that there's a lot of people who are high when doing jobs where it's just plain stupid and/or dangerous to be that way.

You better hope that the guy who does get high all day working on avionics doesn't run out. Then he's gonna have a bad day and not give a {censored}.

I don't know if I'd agree with that...

I bet Einstein had some government lab {censored}. You know how long term lsd use fries your hair out?

 

So that's how my hair got this way! I always wondered...

 

 

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Studies have shown that people who don't smoke are more likely to be uptight.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Actually that smilie is pretty ironic!

[Phait]

 

I know a whole lot of sober people who are also incapable of doing their job to task. And yet, there's no piss test for stupidity. Hmm.

 

 

Dumb argument. Let's say you got a perfectly good worker who because, now that they don't have random piss tests, comes into work high. And for this person it's an issue because again - they can't quite do their job correctly.

 

With the random piss tets in, they wouldn't, or would be much less likely, to come into work high - and a job well done, and on and on however their job affects the customer.

[UstadKhanAli]

Sorry, I just saw this. But that's where it gets sticky. How can you be {censored}ed up on heroin and keep it in your home without affecting anyone else? What if you want a bite to eat? Are you gonna try and drive somewhere? Would legalizing all drugs have an adverse affect on our culture's general safety? Would crime go up or down? I don't know. But if most people thought like me then drugs wouldn't be an issue. Also, I don't believe that non violent drug offenders should be jailed in our current system. They should be OFFERED (not forced) helped with their addiction....if they actually have one. Overcrowding jails with people who have been arrested for possession is just stupid, IMO.

 

There's a lot of interesting and good points in there. I'm not sure that I agree or disagree with it right now, as I'd have to learn more and think things through more.

 

Has there ever been a precedence with another country or society or group in which they have tried legalizing all drugs? I haven't heard of any, but it'd be interesting to see what did indeed happen.

 

Thanks!!!!

[ggm1960]

Last thing I want is someone who goes into work high and botches a repair on my avionics or engine and I die in a plane crash.

 

Well no matter how stoned I were to get, the equipment I use on my job never lies and units that don't pass, don't leave. It might just take me a little longer to find the circuit problem(s).

 

 

All that aside I think the bigger picture is being overlooked. What's actually happening is that the government has become desperate in it's desire to expand like THE BLOB from the 1950's movie.

 

I've seen this stupid state institute a lottery and legalize casinos in a desperate effort to maintain government growth. I'm looking for prostitution to be legalized in the next few years, in fact, I'm surprised CA isn't going down that road first where they wouldn't have to worry about the conflict of interest associated with DUI fine revenues.

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Dumb argument. Let's say you got a perfectly good worker who because, now that they don't have random piss tests, comes into work high. And for this person it's an issue because again - they can't quite do their job correctly. With the random piss tets in , they wouldn't, or would be much less likely, to come into work high - and a job well done, and on and on however their job affects the customer.

 

I agree. You're pointing out the huge cognitive dissonance in this thread, and that's marijuana's effect on the brain. Yes, some people smoke it and can function better or on level with their sober selves. Others... Not even close - and those kinds of people are far from the minority.

[boxorox]

Sure would be swell, BUT: Due to reasons I won't go into, It Will Never Happen. And if it does happen, No, you can't crash at my house when your parents kick you out. Get a job, Hippie! The rest of us are having a hard enough time supporting our own habits.

[lonotes]

 

Well urine tests aren't immediate or accurate enough for court purposes. If you fail a urine test that could mean you smoked pot a month ago.

 

 

But that's just the thing. They are accurate enough to show possession, and that's all that they are designed to do. They are not intended to show intoxication. Currently there's no need for a test to show impairment or intoxication, as the penalty for possession is greater than the penalty for DUI. Why bother testing for a lesser charge when you've already confirmed the bigger violation? In other words, if you test positive, it doesn't matter if you're buzzed. You're going down. If determining intoxication were the goal, tests would be developed that could show that. Just imagine all of the research jobs involved in the race to develop such a test, followed by the sales positions needed to distribute the testing materials. Then there's the training needed to make the police competent in administering the tests. And don't forget the manufacturing of the consumable testing supplies. It's just one more facet of the goldmine that could result from the end of prohibition.

[Lucky #9]

 

Thomas Jefferson was high as a kite. So was Ben Franklin.

 

 

 

Is that correct? I hadn't read that before.

Can anyone else verify that information?

 

One thing about potential legalization...well, two things...err, maybe three (actually four after I came back to edit the post).

 

1 - I think it is inevitable, eventually if not now.

 

2 - Weed still has to be kept away from kids. From what I've seen over the years, there is a tendency in the very young to remain socially undeveloped/immature when over-indulging in grass. And I don't mean just when the buzz is on. I think there are other factors at work that prevent the development of maturity.

 

3 - Nobody has mentioned the "hangover" factor. Don't any of you still feel a bit dazed the next day after a heavy indulgence? Uh, I'm just sayin'...not that I know anything about it.

 

4 - Weed definitely has a deleterious affect on the lungs, etc. You hold the smoke in your lungs a long time; much longer than a butt. You ingest poisons when you inhale any burning thing, be it a butt or grass. That is a scientific fact. A "filter" isn't going to do much about that.

[lonotes]

 

4 - Weed definitely has a deleterious affect on the lungs, etc. You hold the smoke in your lungs a long time; much longer than a butt. You ingest poisons when you inhale any burning thing, be it a butt or grass. That is a scientific fact.

 

 

Smoking is not the only method of ingestion.

[rasputin1963]

What about the oft-described "amotivational syndrome" ascribed to pot use?

 

I remember when Ronald Reagan toured the Haight-Ashbury in 1967... looking at the hippies.

 

He quipped: "They're carrying signs that say MAKE LOVE, NOT WAR, but they don't appear to have the strength to do either."

[ew_]

 

Is that correct? I hadn't read that before. Can anyone else verify that information?

 

I first heard and read that in the late '60s.

 

One thing about potential legalization...well, two things...err, maybe three (actually four after I came back to edit the post). 1 - I think it is inevitable, eventually if not now.

 

Indeed- if for no other reason than to free up the legal system somewhat.

 

2 - Weed still has to be kept away from kids. From what I've seen over the years, there is a tendency in the very young to remain socially undeveloped/immature when over-indulging in grass. And I don't mean just when the buzz is on. I think there are other factors at work that prevent the development of maturity.

 

Also agreed- you'd see the same restrictions as there is on alcohol. Of course, you could argue that those aren't very effective.

 

3 - Nobody has mentioned the "hangover" factor. Don't any of you still feel a bit dazed the next day after a heavy indulgence? Uh, I'm just sayin'...not that I know anything about it.

 

I never have.

 

4 - Weed definitely has a deleterious affect on the lungs, etc. You hold the smoke in your lungs a long time; much longer than a butt. You ingest poisons when you inhale any burning thing, be it a butt or grass. That is a scientific fact. A "filter" isn't going to do much about that.

 

Now that's very true- especially if you also smoke cigarettes. That's why I very rarely smoke any more; with the damage done to my lungs after 40 years of tobacco smoking, I wheeze and cough for a couple days after indulging.

 

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[Lucky #9]

 

Once again, look to alcohol for the model. It's much more difficult (although not impossible) for kids to buy alcohol, precisely because alcohol is legal but regulated. Put pot in the hands of responsible retailers and kids now have to find an older brother or friend to buy for them because the retailer will not take the risk of selling to underage customers. The local drug dealer doesn't care who he sells to as the risk is the same regardless of age. There is no hangover. Smoking is not the only method of ingestion.

 

 

I've got to take issue with these comments:

 

Pot is much easier for the very young to get than alcohol. There is no comparision. Legal and regulated will not make it harder for the very young to get; legal will make little difference there, unless it makes it even easier for the very young to get their hands on it. And I am not really bringing this point up to say that it should not be made legal. Legal or not, it's not that hard to find.

 

Hangover?

Maybe the weed you've smoked is weak.

I don't think there is any doubt whatsoever about lingering cobwebs the next day, particularly if you haven't picked up your basic 8 hours of nod time.

 

Of course, it's not the only method of ingestion, but is probably smoked 98% of the time and not ingested all that often. Any smoke inhaled is going to have a deleterious affect on your health.

[lonotes]

 

Any smoke inhaled is going to have a deleterious affect on your health.

 

 

That includes the smoke produced by barbecueing ribs. I don't want to live in a nerf world.

[Thrashy]

I am all for total legalization. I really don't think there will be any difference in how many people use that actual substance if anything it may go down. The reason?? economics. In a legal distribution, better quality and/or a higher powered drug is going to cost more. In the case of the highly addictive substances, just tax it so much that it is reallly, really expensive.

looks at Whiskey as just one example. I have see some types that go in the hundred of dollars for a very small amount (shot). If a line of coke cost you a hundred dollars, there would not be a lot of people snorting it and probably even fewer sharing it.

 

And no, I have never heard of or experienced a weed hangover.

[lonotes]

And no, I have never heard of or experienced a weed hangover.

 

I would suspect that any sort of "weed hangover" would be the result of LEO's applying herbicides, rather than any quality issues inherent in the plant itself. Great plan, "we'll poison you to keep you safe from the demon".

[boosh]

 

It's a misconception that pot is legal in Holland (and if that status has changed, I'm sure Boosh can correct me). It's a small distinction, but officially, it's "permitted." In other words, the cops aren't going to hassle you if you're smoking a joint. But if you're problematic for other reasons, they can haul you in for smoking if they want to. Last time I checked, of all the western industrialized countries, Holland has the lowest per capita pot usage. I don't think that's a coincidence.

 

 

All true Craig!

 

Cops won't do antyhthing when you smoke pot. You can stand next to them and talk to them smoking a bong(well probably they'd ask you to roll a joint and get rid of the bong lol).

 

We are allowed to (correct me if I'm wrong) carry 30 grams for our own use. Anything more will be considered dealing and that's a NO No. Coffeeshops are the places you can go to to buy your stuff. They are allowed to have a stock of 500 grams of hashish or Mary Jane.

 

My favorite shop is the one you see in Ocean's 12,..The one Brad Pitt and Matt Damon are sitting in with all the orange colors. It's called The DampKring.

 

Oh yeah,... each household is allowed 5 MaryJane plants for homegrown weed. No more and no artificial lights otherwise it's considered a bussiness.

 

We have hashbrownies for sale and hashchocolate,... weedlollipops and weedtea.

 

My mum used to take care of my plants until I cut them. All the leaves that weren't used were cooked up with water and a package of butter in a big pan. we filtered it and when it was cold we took the butter of the water and used that to put on our bread and get high in school whahaha.

 

Driving using pot,....It'll take you 17 minutes alone to get seated and put your keys in the right hole. Start the car and drive away.

 

A 10 mile drive can take up to 2 hours when you've used our pot.

 

There's Pot here that can knock a 240lbs Pro-Wrestler out.

 

Tourists who are not used to our stuff easily make mistakes and sleep 2 days of their 3 day trip to Amsterdam.

 

I'm tired typing,..

[whiteop]

the Mexican Cartels will probably assassinate the guys who try to get this bill passed. If it passes they lose control of the market which will then be taken over by the U.S. Government. This cannot be a good thing anyway you look at it. We don't need a bunch of Senators and Congressmen getting even fatter with the munchies who can't get any work done because they've been made too apathetic from smoking pot. Why do you think the Indians never made any substantial technological leaps or advanced their civilization much farther than living in teepees, hunting Buffalo, and making weapons out of flint and sticks after they'd been in the U.S for 30 - 40,000 years. C'mon you guys know what pot does to people. Be real...

[the stranger]

I would suspect that any sort of "weed hangover" would be the result of LEO's applying herbicides, rather than any quality issues inherent in the plant itself. Great plan, "we'll poison you to keep you safe from the demon".

 

Paraquat.

[the stranger]

Why do you think the Indians never made any substantial technological leaps or advanced their civilization much farther than living in teepees, hunting Buffalo, and making weapons out of flint and sticks after they'd been in the U.S for 30 - 40,000 years. C'mon you guys know what pot does to people. Be real...

 

[the stranger]

 

I'm tired typing,..

[boosh]

 

C'mon you guys know what pot does to people. Be real...

 

 

Bull{censored}.

 

Most of my friends who use pot on a daily basis work 50 hours a week. Spend 30 hours a week on their hobbies and have a wife and kids.

 

They're living the good life and have a good annual income.

 

They have great jobs and are super healthy.

 

 

When you are a lazy no good bastard and you use pot,..you'll have the chance to end up being an even more lazy unuseful bastard.

 

When you have the right spirit and work hard,..pot use can even strenghten that and make you more artistic and harder working.

 

It's booze and other drugs(and medicines) that {censored} people up.

 

I've never seen anyone turn aggresive after pot-use and I don't know of people becoming criminals after using pot.

 

Sadly,... if someone smokes a package of cigarettes and drinks a bottle of JD and after that smokes a joint,..rapes someone and robs a bank,...

 

The marijuana gets the blame,.. ya know why??? Because liquor and Cigarettes are taxed,...MJ isn't.

 

Everything your government can't earn money on is illegal.

 

prostitution = illegal

Pot = illegal

 

 

Come over to our place for a while and see how we do it.

 

Pot and Prostitution is somehow legal here.

 

According to you everybody must turn into dopesmoking hookerclients right?

 

I never understood anyone who wants to ban Hemp,.. it's the gift of the Gods!!

 

Hemp can save our planet.

[boosh]

Oh Yeah,.. about your stupid indian tale,... They were probably very happy without technology,...

 

Speaking of technology,.. The potsmoking DutchGuys invented CompactDiscs lol,...

 

We are the best in fighting water and elements,..constructing Dikes(or Dykes) whatever.

 

We are a very peaceful little country and love to pass the spliff. In the meanwhile we invent stuff and {censored} like that dude

 

It was the fire-water(genever brought from the Netherlands) that {censored}ed up the natives more than their own pot-use of 30,000 years.

[UstadKhanAli]

 

Why do you think the Indians never made any substantial technological leaps or advanced their civilization much farther than living in teepees, hunting Buffalo, and making weapons out of flint and sticks after they'd been in the U.S for 30 - 40,000 years. C'mon you guys know what pot does to people. Be real...

 

 

What's your explanation for every other indigenous culture?

 

And what's your explanation for the societies that smoke pot and are culturally advanced?