Members Leftcoast123 Posted November 15, 2012 Members Share Posted November 15, 2012 Good post Mr. Brittain! My house band project is live karaoke on Friday's and regular band on Saturday's. Lyrics are on video, backing tracks on right channel, click and my cues on left. We're neck deep in rehearsals at the moment. The idea is to have this as a product beyond our 13 weekend run at the ski resort and will work on the front four (Mon-Thurs) at small to large venues as well as corporates etc. I had a thread earlier this fall about ideas for keeping the house band idea fresh, time to add an update. http://www.facebook.com/HausBanned Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members race81 Posted November 15, 2012 Members Share Posted November 15, 2012 live music???....no......Live entertainment????....yes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members chadd Posted November 15, 2012 Members Share Posted November 15, 2012 At least Karaoke is a step up from the lip synch fad in the 80s. I can't be the only one that remembers that disturbing trend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members rodclement Posted November 15, 2012 Members Share Posted November 15, 2012 Live entertaiment for sure, and a lot of times better fun than a lot of live bands...good for the venue as well, they can control volume, people drink a lot...I can see a lot f benefits over a live band for the venue, and that is very sad being that I play in a band... Rod Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members OldGuitarPlayer Posted November 15, 2012 Members Share Posted November 15, 2012 It's all about the vocals. If you don't have a good vocalist no one is going to come to the venue. lol...I have yet to hear a good vocalist at a karoke session... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members bigboy78 Posted November 15, 2012 Members Share Posted November 15, 2012 Live entertaiment for sure, and a lot of times better fun than a lot of live bands...good for the venue as well, they can control volume, people drink a lot...I can see a lot f benefits over a live band for the venue, and that is very sad being that I play in a band...Rod Karaoke is live entertainment. I would rather go to Karaoke, than listen to some Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members rodclement Posted November 15, 2012 Members Share Posted November 15, 2012 lol...I have yet to hear a good vocalist at a karoke session... There is a bar in Red Bank, NJ that does live band Karaoke every week, the place if full of decent middle aged singers, both men and women. Just people that had bands when they were younger and grew away from it...some real talented people there every week, and they all drop some serious coin at the bar, bring friends and family to see them "perform" and overall just have a great time! The band itself has a good time as well since they are always playing varied material, and book a lot of private parties due to this gig. Tips are high as well since everyone is generous when they are having a blast. I seldom see a "true band" generate this kind of buzz in the same bar, week in and out, always full, maybe these guys are onto something? Rod Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members tim_7string Posted November 16, 2012 Members Share Posted November 16, 2012 There is a bar in Red Bank, NJ that does live band Karaoke every week, the place if full of decent middle aged singers, both men and women. Just people that had bands when they were younger and grew away from it...some real talented people there every week, and they all drop some serious coin at the bar, bring friends and family to see them "perform" and overall just have a great time! The band itself has a good time as well since they are always playing varied material, and book a lot of private parties due to this gig. Tips are high as well since everyone is generous when they are having a blast. I seldom see a "true band" generate this kind of buzz in the same bar, week in and out, always full, maybe these guys are onto something? Rod If that's true, perhaps the time of the bar band is coming to an end and I am simply in the last days of this phenomenon. Sad to realize this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Vito Corleone Posted November 16, 2012 Members Share Posted November 16, 2012 I just drove by a local bar with a sign on the sidewalk that said "TONIGHT: LIVE DJ". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Vito Corleone Posted November 16, 2012 Members Share Posted November 16, 2012 I thought of the "Live Karaoke" idea a few years ago when I was looking to kick my band up a notch and we weren't ready to start looking for a front person/lead singer. I thought it would probably work in the local casinos and might be fun to do. I actually didn't realize it had been done before (although I didn't believe I would have been the FIRST person to think of it) so I searched for some bands like that online I found several. None in our area though. We ended up going another route, obviously, but I think that done right it could be pretty fun. If, for no other reason, that you'd end up play a wide variety of songs, some probably just making up on the fly, for the most part, and I like doing stuff like that. The same set list night-after-night stuff gets a bit dull for me. The band would have to be on their toes for sure! If nothing else, it might be a great way to find that awesome singer you've been looking for! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members kmart Posted November 16, 2012 Members Share Posted November 16, 2012 Is that a common sentiment among civilian (non-musican types)? I'm going to disagree with what seems to be a number of MUSICIANS in this thread and say yes, I believe it IS the common sentiment among non-musos that karaoke is the same, or at least similar enough, to a live band. The don't know any different, and they don't CARE about the difference, either. Hell, people don't care to know that it's not pronounced care-ee-oh-key, either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members rsadasiv Posted November 16, 2012 Members Share Posted November 16, 2012 lol...I have yet to hear a good vocalist at a karoke session... and yet plenty of people attend kareoke sessions, purchase drinks and enjoy themselves... so ... how can it always be 100% about the vocals? How could I post something like that? The statement is absurd on its face. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members rsadasiv Posted November 16, 2012 Members Share Posted November 16, 2012 Or perhaps I was just repeating some misinformation I'd heard somehwere else? +10000! I don't know why this is so hard to understand. Nobody is going to sit and watch a band no matter how hard they "groove" if the vox are poor. I've seen it a million times. And to Dave, I get what you were saying even if nobody else did. Time better spent for the O.P would have been on vocals. You weren't advocating {censored}ty rhythm playing, just pointing out that they were probably spending their time on something that could have been put on the back burner because their playing is pretty good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Vito Corleone Posted November 16, 2012 Members Share Posted November 16, 2012 and yet plenty of people attend kareoke sessions, purchase drinks and enjoy themselves... so ... how can it always be 100% about the vocals? Because when it's not about vocals, it's about the visual and the spectacle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members trevcda Posted November 16, 2012 Members Share Posted November 16, 2012 At least Karaoke is a step up from the lip synch fad in the 80s. I can't be the only one that remembers that disturbing trend. Oh God, I remember that well. I remember one of the lippies wanting to sit in with the band, not realizing that he was going to have to actually sing. Funniest train wreck ever. I was in New Orleans at a place called The Cats Paw on Bourbon Street. They had karaoke on a large scale. Flown mains, subs, full monitor and lights on a decent sized stage with a sound tech at a FOH position- there was no hiding behind {censored}ty PA and excessive reverb on that stage. I had a blast that night and there was some real talent on that stage. But along with it came tourists with inflatable guitars screeching into the mics. Two words to solve the "Karaoke is live music" misconception: Acapella Karaoke. That'll send 'em running for a real band! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members deepflight Posted November 16, 2012 Members Share Posted November 16, 2012 I get where the club owner is coming from; I just happen to disagree with the premise. Karaoke is fun, but it's no more "live" than singing along to the car radio....and I doubt anyone would argue that singing in the car or shower qualifies as "live music". This is somewhat missing the point of this thread, but I would argue that singing in the car or shower is not "live music" because there is no audience. Practicing guitar alone in your living room isn't live music for the same reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Miko Man Posted November 16, 2012 Members Share Posted November 16, 2012 This is somewhat missing the point of this thread, but I would argue that singing in the car or shower is not "live music" because there is no audience. Practicing guitar alone in your living room isn't live music for the same reason. I disagree. Singing in the shower or practicing an instrument alone at home or in a studio is certainly not playing pre-recorded music. Whether an audience is or is not present does not determine whether the sound produced by the person is (or isn't) music. Whether music constitutes "entertainment" probably does require an audience, but that's not what you said. If the sound being produced is music, then it seems to me that either it is "live" or it is "pre-recorded"; I don't see any other categories as being possible. If you want to engage in a discussion of whether operating a player piano or a hurdy-gurdy is playing live vs. pre-recorded music, I think that we could have a conversation. Mark C. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members sventvkg Posted November 16, 2012 Members Share Posted November 16, 2012 FAIL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members OldGuitarPlayer Posted November 16, 2012 Members Share Posted November 16, 2012 and yet plenty of people attend kareoke sessions, purchase drinks and enjoy themselves... so ... how can it always be 100% about the vocals? How could I post something like that? The statement is absurd on its face. Hey just because I think karoke is a joke doesn't mean people don't enjoy themselves getting drunk once a week and make fools out of themselves for free at the karoke bar. Sorry but when I perform in public for strangers in a night club or bar I expect to get paid for it. Same reason why I only host open mics ( I get paid for it) and not play at them for free. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members vanlatte Posted November 16, 2012 Members Share Posted November 16, 2012 One of the main reasons I like shows like "The Voice" and "American Idol" is how good the bands are and I'm in awe of their ability to be so good, so diverse, and crank out so many tunes every week with what can't be more than just a bit of rehearsal on each tune.. That would be my dream gig.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members vanlatte Posted November 16, 2012 Members Share Posted November 16, 2012 At least Karaoke is a step up from the lip synch fad in the 80s. I can't be the only one that remembers that disturbing trend. I signed up for Mili Vanilli once at karaoke and was shocked that I had to sing it myself. Naturally I blamed it on the rain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members J.Paul Posted November 16, 2012 Author Members Share Posted November 16, 2012 The club last night only uses Karaoke or a DJ Last night during load-in the bartender asks me : ".....so what is it that you do again? You sing and play guitar?? Is there any music???" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Piano Whore Posted November 16, 2012 Members Share Posted November 16, 2012 Because, pretty obviously, if Christina Aguleira walked into a karaoke bar and got up and sang a song, everyone there would consider that a "live performance", wouldn't they? I don't think so- although Christina fans might be more LIKELY to. And even those would know the difference between her singing to karaoke tracks vs with a band, IMO- regardless of the semantics or labeling involved. But what if CA jumped on stage with an amateur live band, that just happened to suck at playing her songs? In that case the band's performance wouldn't be very professional, but it would still be a live performance (just not overall a very good one) instead of karaoke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members dboomer Posted November 16, 2012 Members Share Posted November 16, 2012 What am I missing? I think what is missing is not whether or not something is or isn't live music but rather what is or isn't entertainment that will make the club owner money and therefore get you hired. Music is art and I'm guessing almost anyone can paint a picture. But if you are looking to make a living the question becomes can you sell that painting. How did a guy playing records on 2 turntables ever displace live musicians in the eyes of an audience? And what can musicians learn form that to get back on that stage and make a living from it (assuming that you do want to make a living from it)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members FitchFY Posted November 16, 2012 Members Share Posted November 16, 2012 I signed up for Mili Vanilli once at karaoke and was shocked that I had to sing it myself. Naturally I blamed it on the rain. Once again, you've made a statement that I desperately want to put into my signature. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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