Members seifukusha Posted January 8, 2010 Members Share Posted January 8, 2010 the cure roundabloutly started like 5 genres. theve been going at it for waht 30 years? done a ton of styles.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members JMR Posted January 8, 2010 Members Share Posted January 8, 2010 uhhh... I'll stick with at the drive in, refused, fugazi, cap'n jazz, husker du for what at one time was "emo" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members _Idioteque_ Posted January 8, 2010 Members Share Posted January 8, 2010 Pretty sure that was Minor Threat, but it doesn't matter:Pinkerton has better writing than all of the Cure's albums combined Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members TheCardiacKid Posted January 8, 2010 Members Share Posted January 8, 2010 Even if the Cure were the first emo band, they certainly wouldn't be the last worth listening to. Jimmy Eat World, Sunny Day Real Estate & Elliott are/were all excellent bands with great songs, passionate (but not overbearing) vocal performances, thoughtful/interesting lyrics/arrangements and above-par musicianship. spot f^ckin on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members TheCardiacKid Posted January 8, 2010 Members Share Posted January 8, 2010 Dashboard Confessional ...you have stolen my heart, Brian. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Alex W Posted January 8, 2010 Members Share Posted January 8, 2010 I actually liked some of the Jimmy Eat World stuff. I tend to be less concerned with genre labels than I am with cool songs and performances / recordings. YMMV. Now there is something rare on the Harmony Central forums. Someone who can actually think outside of generic labels and boxes. I agree with this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members the Dust Posted January 8, 2010 Members Share Posted January 8, 2010 love this song... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ShuGAZER Posted January 9, 2010 Members Share Posted January 9, 2010 wat the cure were an icey post punk band that turned into a psychedelic pop band and both halves of their work are equally great. no emo there. emo started with rites of spring and fugazi and all that dc stuff that took itself too seriously, then those nerdy bands in the late 90's that wore horn rimmed glasses like get up kids and promise ring, and then somehow it became hair metal again. This. That whole emo scene just doen't click with Brits, except perhaps as a fashion fad. That said, The Cure is one of those bands that has influenced a number of genres so it's no surprise that lots of people dig them. People often think of The Cure as a dark melancholy band and see Robert Smith as a goth posterboy, but in reality much of The Cure's music is upbeat and melodic. They have a distinctive style and sound that's easily recognisable, but you can't really lump them into one particular genre either. They just do what they do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members outtahear Posted January 9, 2010 Members Share Posted January 9, 2010 Pretty sure that was Minor Threat, but it doesn't matter:Pinkerton has better writing than all of the Cure's albums combined Nah, yer thinkin' straightedge. (Lotta beer in that scene then, oddly). Note to Emo bands-anger's an emotion, whining ain't. But then, I like my punk a bit more aggro than a Mary Kate +Ashley CD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members petejt Posted January 10, 2010 Members Share Posted January 10, 2010 Seems to me when the kids in the UK now talk about emo it's nothing to do with anything other than a fashion, which is just a modern take on '80's goth' crossed with Japanese fashion.....and nothing to do with 'emo' (let alone hardcore) as far as I can see. That's pretty much it. People tie Emo to The Cure because of Robert Smith's pasty skin and the black hair with chapped lips that was a common look in the late 1980s-early 1990s (particularly with white women, it's like they never went out into the sun), as well as his more darker sinister songs of the early 1980s which those dickhead emos take to be the inspiration for their so-called depression.. Really, Floyd Pinkerton is the Original Emo... [YOUTUBE]jViTte8VAzU[/YOUTUBE] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members El Pollo Loco Posted January 10, 2010 Members Share Posted January 10, 2010 Pretty sure that was Minor Threat, but it doesn't matter:Pinkerton has better writing than all of the Cure's albums combined THIS Fugazi was never Emo:facepalm: They just get associated with Emo because Ian Mackaye's old band was Minor Threat, which was the first Emo Band since the term "Emotional Hardcore" was first used to describe that band. They also had 2 members of Rites of Spring in Fugazi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members driverhasabomb Posted January 10, 2010 Members Share Posted January 10, 2010 [YOUTUBE]QFTh_Lr522k[/YOUTUBE][YOUTUBE]ZS08tuztJwo[/YOUTUBE][YOUTUBE]u_6ducd2UOQ[/YOUTUBE][YOUTUBE]DlBM1R1Al4g[/YOUTUBE] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Snail_killer Posted January 10, 2010 Members Share Posted January 10, 2010 meet emo. [YOUTUBE]aNAe_4c71PU[/YOUTUBE] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members tshapiro Posted January 10, 2010 Members Share Posted January 10, 2010 Sorry, but The Cure was a Goth band. If you reach back to the early 80's time frame you could say the The Smiths were the first band to emote - less the screaming. The reason the Smiths were so signicant was that - like Nirvana for grunge - the Smiths were a transition band the appealed to both the goth fans as well as the initial emo fans. While the Smiths were not a fully evovled or classic emo band but they were doing it first. It's hard to say how the follow up bands like My Chemical Romance would have evolved without Morrisey's poetic emo style to establish the concept. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Chaos Realms Posted January 10, 2010 Members Share Posted January 10, 2010 First goth song ever: [YOUTUBE][/YOUTUBE] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Loxley Posted January 10, 2010 Members Share Posted January 10, 2010 Nothing could be further from the truth. Just because they write gloomy music doesn't mean it's emo. For {censored}'s sake.. that makes a huge portion of the songs out there emo, all the way back medieval ballads. Emo is a form of hardcore punk, based purely on the fact that it makes listeners emotional (not necessarily sad!).. is there any hardcore in The Cure? Absolutely not. By your use of the word emo, you might as well call Radiohead emo too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ShuGAZER Posted January 10, 2010 Members Share Posted January 10, 2010 Sorry, but The Cure was a Goth band. Gotta disagree with that one. Clan of Xymox is a goth band. Mephisto Walz is a goth band. Alien Sex Fiend is a goth band. The Cure were never a goth band. They may appeal to goths, but so do Joy Division and Cocteau Twins. The Cure was one of several bands that were influential in the development of what later became known as gothic rock, but they were a post-punk band who like Joy Division were tagged as having a dark brooding sound. Robert Smith had "the look" and albums like Seventeen Seconds, Faith and Pornography did have a dark sound, but The Cure never affiliated themselves with that scene nor gave into gothic theatrics like Bauhaus did. It was simply the UK sound of the times. Lots of bands were emulating Joy Division's dark and moody sound particularly after the death of Ian Curtis in 1980. The Cure, Siouxsie & The Banshees, Bauhaus, Cocteau Twins, The Chameleons, Echo & The Bunnymen, Modern English and even pop bands like Tears For Fears had a go at it with sombre songs like "Pale Shelter" and "Mad World." I'd hardly call them goths. And I'd hardly call The Cure emo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members turnip Posted January 10, 2010 Members Share Posted January 10, 2010 Let's put up a time line for all the young'uns to illuminate the issue: The Cure: Faith, Pornography 1981/1982 Along with Bauhaus, Siouxie and the Banshees, and the Birthday Party, helped start the post-punk offshot later termed Goth. Icy, depressing, stark, and emotive. The Smiths: The Smiths 1984Brought an intellectual honesty and literal nature to emotive lyrics; musical style would help inform post-hardcore music.Minor Threat: Out of Step, Minor Threat 1984Hardcore punk; propogators of the term "Straightedge." Emotive lyrics, but most hardcore had emotive lyrics. Ian MacKaye would go on to form Embrace and Fugazi (see later bands)Rites of Spring: Rites of Spring 1985First "emotional hardcore/emocore" band. Slowed down hardcore's music, added a sprinkling of the Smiths and early Cure to the musical sensibilities. Guy Picciotto and Brenden Canty would later go on to join Fugazi (see later band)Embrace: Embrace 1987Emotional Hardcore band like their DC bretheren Rites of Spring. Member Ian MacKaye would form Fugazi with Guy Picciotto and Brenden Canty.The Cure: Disintegration 1989Combined elements from the psychedelic the Top and the poppy Kiss Me, Kiss Me, Kiss Me with the dark, emotive earlier work to form a lush, psychedelic goth pop masterpiece. Stylistically would inform later post-rock/alternative/indie bands.Fugazi: Repeater 1990Not really emocore; a kind of stripped-down straightedge postipunk/hardcore heavily enfused with dub and reggae rhythms and feel. BUT contains members of Embrace and Rites of Spring.Sunny Day Real Estate: Diary 1994Knapsack: Silver Sweepstakes 1995The Promise Ring: 30 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members christianatl Posted January 10, 2010 Members Share Posted January 10, 2010 Turnip, you get a golf clap. I agree with that post 100%. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Bobby D Posted January 10, 2010 Members Share Posted January 10, 2010 and STILL are the BEST at it! robert smith RULEZ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members turnip Posted January 10, 2010 Members Share Posted January 10, 2010 Turnip, you get a golf clap. I agree with that post 100%. Why, thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members JMR Posted January 10, 2010 Members Share Posted January 10, 2010 nicccccce Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members melx Posted January 10, 2010 Members Share Posted January 10, 2010 Gotta disagree with that one. Clan of Xymox is a goth band. Mephisto Walz is a goth band. Alien Sex Fiend is a goth band. The Cure were never a goth band. They may appeal to goths, but so do Joy Division and Cocteau Twins. The Cure was one of several bands that were influential in the development of what later became known as gothic rock, but they were a post-punk band who like Joy Division were tagged as having a dark brooding sound. Robert Smith had "the look" and albums like Seventeen Seconds, Faith and Pornography did have a dark sound, but The Cure never affiliated themselves with that scene nor gave into gothic theatrics like Bauhaus did. It was simply the UK sound of the times. Lots of bands were emulating Joy Division's dark and moody sound particularly after the death of Ian Curtis in 1980. The Cure, Siouxsie & The Banshees, Bauhaus, Cocteau Twins, The Chameleons, Echo & The Bunnymen, Modern English and even pop bands like Tears For Fears had a go at it with sombre songs like "Pale Shelter" and "Mad World." I'd hardly call them goths. And I'd hardly call The Cure emo. ..and this! ......way to much fail in this thread overall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members MathiasWilliam Posted January 10, 2010 Members Share Posted January 10, 2010 uhhh... I'll stick with at the drive in, refused, fugazi, cap'n jazz, husker du for what at one time was "emo" Though, i love all those bands. I would't call any of them emo, or have ever been or were emo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members cooki3monster Posted January 10, 2010 Members Share Posted January 10, 2010 Agree with both statements. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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