Members bluesguitar65 Posted September 3, 2012 Members Share Posted September 3, 2012 Here is an interesting video regarding the cause of "tone suckage"....you maybe surprised. Please "WATCH" the video then comment what you think. [video=youtube;YOWeoizp4y0] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Harvester1199 Posted September 3, 2012 Members Share Posted September 3, 2012 ive always been a fan of having one buffered pedal on my pedalboard wich is why my boss ce-2 chorus has been the last pedal in my chain in front of my amp for the last 13 years or so Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members BrentMpls Posted September 3, 2012 Members Share Posted September 3, 2012 They didn't go into a lot of other stuff though, like what a buffer actually does, cable capacitance, etc. If you run too many buffered pedals you are going to get some noise (which is why if you buy into the boss line in full they will happily sell you noise suppressors). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Brian Marshall Posted September 3, 2012 Members Share Posted September 3, 2012 It's not really news... IMHO it matters a lot less for overdrives, because buffered or not when the pedal is on it alters the timbre... and most have a tone control of some sort. Modulation pedals, or any pedal that includes a dry/clean signal you can run in to some trouble if everything is true bypass. If you have 12' of cable to your pedal board it's probably not that big of a deal, but if you have 20+ feet out to your amp and a true bypass modulation pedal then you will hear the clean signal get brighter when you turn the effect on. It's probably most noticeable on delays and chorus. There are other things to consider though. If you are the kind of person that gets a lot of your sound from the volume knob on your guitar buffers can brighten up the attenuated signal. For some people that might be helpful, but it's not what a pure 'straight in to the amp' kind of person would expect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Naterel Posted September 3, 2012 Members Share Posted September 3, 2012 Not surprised Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Reaganomics! Posted September 3, 2012 Members Share Posted September 3, 2012 tone suck's in the fingers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members guitardustin Posted September 3, 2012 Members Share Posted September 3, 2012 OH MY GOODNESS THIS IS GROUNDBREAKING NEWS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members PKTrono Posted September 3, 2012 Members Share Posted September 3, 2012 i'd rather not "watch" anything, thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members woolyh Posted September 3, 2012 Members Share Posted September 3, 2012 Old EHX pedals and the Boss PS-5 on T-arm mode are the true cause of tone suckage. And the Klon buffer is thy saviour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members fuzzio Posted September 3, 2012 Members Share Posted September 3, 2012 I don't trust old people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members goodhonk Posted September 3, 2012 Members Share Posted September 3, 2012 i was surprised that a male over 17 had that hairstyle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members guitardustin Posted September 3, 2012 Members Share Posted September 3, 2012 Who the heck is Pete Thorn and why does it always look like he's trying to see the bridge of his nose? He's either cross eye'd or there's a really interesting freckle somewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members evets618 Posted September 3, 2012 Members Share Posted September 3, 2012 You cannot possibly expect me to believe any black-and-white-right-in-front-of-my-face empirical evidence when it conflicts with my personal opinion. How absurd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members goodhonk Posted September 3, 2012 Members Share Posted September 3, 2012 Who the heck is Pete Thorn and why does it always look like he's trying to see the bridge of his nose? He's either cross eye'd or there's a really interesting freckle somewhere. hahah. put just nick and pete thorn in a demo together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Aaron SS Posted September 3, 2012 Members Share Posted September 3, 2012 http://www.peterthorn.com/fr_home.cfm That^ Also a super nice guy and helpful contributor to a lot of major guitar forums. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members jhamnett Posted September 3, 2012 Members Share Posted September 3, 2012 The video is very true about driving long cables, but not all buffers are created equal. Plus, some pedals (fuzz/wah) do not sound as good with a buffer in front. So there's more to it but they got the general, and correct, point across. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members The Wood Wizard Posted September 3, 2012 Members Share Posted September 3, 2012 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members aman74 Posted September 4, 2012 Members Share Posted September 4, 2012 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pMUXOjDnI5k Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Aristotle Posted September 4, 2012 Members Share Posted September 4, 2012 http://www.peterthorn.com/fr_home.cfmThat^ Also a super nice guy and helpful contributor to a lot of major guitar forums. You are never anything less than a class act. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil O'Keefe Posted September 4, 2012 Share Posted September 4, 2012 I have mainly true bypass pedals, but there's at least one buffer on every board I make / own / use. It really does go a long way in keeping your signal levels healthy and reducing the effects of long signal paths. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members christianatl Posted September 4, 2012 Members Share Posted September 4, 2012 "bow-tique" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members evets618 Posted September 4, 2012 Members Share Posted September 4, 2012 No, me not.You maybe surprised? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members JR13 Posted September 4, 2012 Members Share Posted September 4, 2012 i have a T1M buffer and it really makes a huge difference. I think I'm gonna have to ditch it because it doesn't play well with my sunface though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members PKTrono Posted September 4, 2012 Members Share Posted September 4, 2012 can't you put the buffer after it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Reauchambeau Posted September 4, 2012 Members Share Posted September 4, 2012 They didn't go into a lot of other stuff though, like what a buffer actually does, cable capacitance, etc. If you run too many buffered pedals you are going to get some noise (which is why if you buy into the boss line in full they will happily sell you noise suppressors). well? .........what does a buffer actually do? and why does running a bunch of them require a noise suppressor? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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