Members ItchyFingers Posted November 6, 2012 Members Share Posted November 6, 2012 Things will change when the people require them to change. Part of that is supporting real change agents, like Nader. Supporting status quo candidates will get us more of the same. I hear you brother, and I admire your optimism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members poolshark Posted November 6, 2012 Members Share Posted November 6, 2012 if people are applauding those who vote, i should get a standing ovation. i've vote 7 times already today, but now i am almost out of facial hair so i probably won't be able to hit an even dozen As someone with a pretty significant beard, this made me chuckle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members npfrs Posted November 6, 2012 Members Share Posted November 6, 2012 Canada has long run a multiple-party system where the Liberals and Conservatives went back and forth and leader/opposition. Then, in an unexpected twist, the NDP ousted the Liberals and became the main opposition party. Change can happen; we've seen it in our lifetime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil O'Keefe Posted November 6, 2012 Share Posted November 6, 2012 I just got back from the polling place. Yes, I voted. Regardless of your political POV, I hope all of you who are eligible will do likewise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members BrentMpls Posted November 6, 2012 Members Share Posted November 6, 2012 Canada has long run a multiple-party system where the Liberals and Conservatives went back and forth and leader/opposition. Then, in an unexpected twist, the NDP ousted the Liberals and became the main opposition party. Change can happen; we've seen it in our lifetime. Two very different countries, and the Canadian 2 and a half party system started 100 years ago. In America, which is still a two party system, when it comes to Presidential elections the only thing a third party was able to accomplish was cause the would be winner to lose by taking votes they would have had away in 1992 causing 8 years of Clinton. On a local level 3rd parties do get in, from time to time. Showing defiance to the two party system by voting for somebody that has no chance to win accomplishes nothing positive. If there was a chance for a 3rd party to win the US Presidential Election, there would be a lot more hoopla and energy behind such an election for that person than has ever been seen thus far. And then of course, it would still have to get past the electoral voters, that can of course vote for whomever they want despite what the state majority has said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members LSDis4me Posted November 6, 2012 Members Share Posted November 6, 2012 Two very different countries, and the Canadian 2 and a half party system started 100 years ago. In America, which is still a two party system, when it comes to Presidential elections the only thing a third party was able to accomplish was cause the would be winner to lose by taking votes they would have had away in 1992 causing 8 years of Clinton. On a local level 3rd parties do get in, from time to time. Showing defiance to the two party system by voting for somebody that has no chance to win accomplishes nothing positive. If there was a chance for a 3rd party to win the US Presidential Election, there would be a lot more hoopla and energy behind such an election for that person than has ever been seen thus far. And then of course, it would still have to get past the electoral voters, that can of course vote for whomever they want despite what the state majority has said. This is exactly the type of defeatist thinking that maintains the status quo, and the trajectory of worsening conditions as the Corporate Party leaders stay in power. Its a lie that 3rd party candidates take away votes from the major party candidates. Those candidates don't own all the votes. But if you're going by that rationale, its more likely that the major party candidates take away votes from the third party candidates, as too many people vote for the less-of-two-evils rather than for the candidate that represents their values. Showing support for candidates who do support your values is extremely positive, as it sends of message of what the people really want. Supporting the less-of-two-evils is damaging, as it maintains an undesirable status quo for the Corporate Party. People need to take a long-term view of the political process in order to get real change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DylanWilde Posted November 6, 2012 Members Share Posted November 6, 2012 Yep, voted an hour ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members npfrs Posted November 6, 2012 Members Share Posted November 6, 2012 I think the point of my anecdote was miss - it was simply an example that sometimes things can change, if not in our lifetime, then possible future ones. Nobody would have thought the NDP would achieve even the title of opposition party, yet here I sit. I like to maintain a positive attitude that if change is possible and desired, it will one day occur. I'd like to think the world will still be around for my kids and their kids and I'd like to instil the same hope in them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members 9520575 Posted November 6, 2012 Members Share Posted November 6, 2012 pffft...Teddy roosevelt ran as a third party canidate...We don't even have the same political parties in this county as we once did... Also... I voted...Y'all aware my district is about to elect the first openly gay republican congressman?richard tisei, look it up.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members BrentMpls Posted November 6, 2012 Members Share Posted November 6, 2012 Showing support for candidates who do support your values is extremely positive, as it sends of message of what the people really want. Supporting the less-of-two-evils is damaging, as it maintains an undesirable status quo for the Corporate Party. People need to take a long-term view of the political process in order to get real change. You've pulled me in with your troll bait by constantly posting insane things, congratulations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members BrentMpls Posted November 6, 2012 Members Share Posted November 6, 2012 I think the point of my anecdote was miss - it was simply an example that sometimes things can change, if not in our lifetime, then possible future ones. Nobody would have thought the NDP would achieve even the title of opposition party, yet here I sit.I like to maintain a positive attitude that if change is possible and desired, it will one day occur. I'd like to think the world will still be around for my kids and their kids and I'd like to instil the same hope in them. Change is always in the works Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members LSDis4me Posted November 6, 2012 Members Share Posted November 6, 2012 3rd party candidates don't have a chance because of the mindset of people like you. Once people start supporting 3rd party candidates, and get away from the idea that "ya only get one of two choices," then we'll see change. But in this "land of the free" its difficult to get people to think they have a choice other than one of the two Corporate Party candidates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members 1DZReverendDavidLee Posted November 6, 2012 Members Share Posted November 6, 2012 We have early voting here in Iowa so I already voted 2 weeks ago Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members hangwire Posted November 6, 2012 Members Share Posted November 6, 2012 I personally don't think it is possible for a 3rd party candidate to win unless there is an extended democratic streak of wins presidents. And it doesn't matter how many legitimate parties there are until the money of politics is massively changed. We can have a 5 party likert scale of legitimate idiologies, but until campaign dontating and massive underhanded money is managed better, it's still "those" 5 guys instead of "those" 2 guys. Could you imagine if all elected officials had a capped salary and capped money they could spend on campaigning? 40k salary would be fair for these leaches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members npfrs Posted November 6, 2012 Members Share Posted November 6, 2012 Yeah, I'm not going to watch that video - looking up to people on soapboxes hurts the neck. (I should have known better than to comment in a political thread) Let me just say I'm proud of all those in the US who voted, whether Obama, Romney, Stein, or Barr... or anybody else (Rollins 2016) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Faldoe Posted November 7, 2012 Members Share Posted November 7, 2012 Voted. Now having a burrito. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Turd Furgison Posted November 7, 2012 Members Share Posted November 7, 2012 you got a burrito for voting all i have are these damn stickers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Lou Speed Posted November 7, 2012 Members Share Posted November 7, 2012 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members H.R. Shove and Stuff Posted November 7, 2012 Members Share Posted November 7, 2012 All I got was this stupid sticker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members The Lou-Dog Posted November 7, 2012 Members Share Posted November 7, 2012 As a UKer it is depressing to hear USers having to travel 5 hours to vote, and then wait to do it. In my entire adult life my polling station has never been more than a mile away (on average like 2 streets away). And I've never waited more than 5 minutes. And even then a lot of people here don't vote. Same goes for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members BrentMpls Posted November 7, 2012 Members Share Posted November 7, 2012 http://www.kontraband.com/videos/12474/Help-End-Womens-Suffrage/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Urinate Forever Posted November 7, 2012 Members Share Posted November 7, 2012 Same goes for me. We are a much bigger country than the UK. That being said, i have 3 polling locations at schools within 5 minutes walking distance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members spentron Posted November 7, 2012 Members Share Posted November 7, 2012 Here in Virginia, I'm glad I wasn't worried about the race being so close that I wouldn't want to "waste" my vote on a 3rd party candidate. It's not looking that close at all. Not only did I vote LP, I went back and put up a handwritten sign advertising all 3 of the 3rd party candidates on the ballot here. Actually I made a mistake on it, but would be amazed if anyone noticed. I would expect a third party to make progress gradually. One election getting enough that people take them seriously next time. I see the networks are showing results tonight for 3rd parties and even write-in numbers*. I don't think they used to do that. *which just passed 4000 in this state! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members orourke Posted November 7, 2012 Members Share Posted November 7, 2012 My wife and I voted at 7am. There was a short line, less than 5 minutes. The location was busy but running pretty smoothly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members GuitarSlim101 Posted November 7, 2012 Members Share Posted November 7, 2012 Yep, voted this morning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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