Members maz_master Posted May 19, 2006 Members Share Posted May 19, 2006 Originally posted by Rufus Leaking Yup Well, then, where are those quotes?I think you're misinterpreting my challenges to the claims made by an obviously misinformed individual that the Diezel build quality is not world class as dogma regarding tone. That's not the case at all. The former is objective, the latter is not, in most cases. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members cloudnine Posted May 19, 2006 Members Share Posted May 19, 2006 Originally posted by juby seriously.....ive said this before on here, ONE AMP IN CANADA PLEASE? you have a dealer with no amps in the hills of quebec ive wanted a herbert as long as i can remember (which idnt really all that long, but whatever) Werd. I'll try this again...PETER, CALLING MORE DIEZEL AMPS TO CANADA PLEASE! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Beastly Posted May 19, 2006 Members Share Posted May 19, 2006 but the only way to get an answer would be to make up some bs about a crooked pot or something....they'll be all over it then...and slip in the real question Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members jem7vwh Posted May 19, 2006 Members Share Posted May 19, 2006 Originally posted by cloudnine Werd. I'll try this again... PETER, CALLING MORE DIEZEL AMPS TO CANADA PLEASE! +1!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members vidnotlaw Posted May 19, 2006 Members Share Posted May 19, 2006 Originally posted by Peter Diezel Hello Vid !You are right, I don Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Peter Diezel Posted May 19, 2006 Members Share Posted May 19, 2006 Originally posted by vidnotlaw I believe that is who I spoke with. That is Salwender International, correct? I am pretty sure that is the place I had called. I never actually purchased the upgrade, I only spoke with them about it. Please don't get me wrong... you build great amps!!! It just wasn;t the sound for me at the time I was using it. Who knows, maybe some day I'll buy another Diezel! I have yet to hear the VH4 or the newer stuff like the Einstein. I am not sure if what I call 'sizzle' is the same thing as high end buzz! Take for instance the Marshall JCM 2000 that I had. Too me that was a VERY buzzy amp. I did not care for it much at all. And that amp has a very muddy low too me as well! The others amps that I own have 'sizzle' but I would not relate it to high end buzz. Everybody has a different tone in there head and if an amp they find makes that tone come to life... THAT is all that matters! Take care, Vid Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members cloudnine Posted May 19, 2006 Members Share Posted May 19, 2006 Peter, I opened up my Diezel and there was nothing but swiss cheese and low-grade beluga caviar in there we need more Diezels in Canada, whats up? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Ed DeGenaro Posted May 19, 2006 Members Share Posted May 19, 2006 Originally posted by Duesentrieb Wow. Hast Du heimlich Nachhilfe genommen? In Deutsch oder Englisch? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Ed DeGenaro Posted May 19, 2006 Members Share Posted May 19, 2006 Originally posted by maz_master I haven't heard any pro players get good tone from a Recto. That amp has brainwashed a whole generation of young players into thinking good tone is gained out fuzzy mush. Holdsworth? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Beastly Posted May 19, 2006 Members Share Posted May 19, 2006 Originally posted by cloudnine Peter, I opened up my Diezel and there was nothing but swiss cheese and low-grade beluga caviar in there we need more Diezels in Canada , whats up? i think i'll stumble upon the meaning of life sooner than getting to play a herbert tho or even hearing back from the best customer service in the world or whatever....its prolly true if you already spent the 4100 american tho or atleast one would hope so... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members carlygtr56 Posted May 19, 2006 Members Share Posted May 19, 2006 Originally posted by Ed DeGenaro Holdsworth? Eric Gales as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DeathMonkey Posted May 19, 2006 Members Share Posted May 19, 2006 Originally posted by cloudnine Werd. I'll try this again... PETER, CALLING MORE DIEZEL AMPS TO CANADA PLEASE! Yes. Back to work, you. I need a damn amp! Gather more worker elves and send me a Herbert!...but point taken that one mans sizzle is another man's buzz, one mans "organic" is anothers "flubby". Eric Johnson has great tone but I wouldn't want to play speed metal with it. Its all subjective. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members maz_master Posted May 19, 2006 Members Share Posted May 19, 2006 Originally posted by Ed DeGenaro Holdsworth? Haven't heard Holdsworth play one. Any published recordings where it is known he used a Recto? Maybe he had Trace mod his too? Maybe they're incredibly picky about speakers/cabs? Maybe the "Series II" improvements fixed what I always hated about them? Hey, I'm open-minded... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members maz_master Posted May 19, 2006 Members Share Posted May 19, 2006 Originally posted by Aineias I haven't read this whole thread; so my apologies if this has already been raised. It ought to be pretty obvious, but a large portion of that Diezel's massive price tag comes from the fact that it's imported from Germany, rather than made in the US like the Boogies. Here in the UK, Diezel gear costs less than a Road King and not much more than a Triple Recto. Bringing my Boogie Mark III over to the UK and changing it's transformer (for UK mains) would have doubled the price of the amp had it been a stock Mark III (the extra for the C+ Mod means that total costs have been about 1.6x the price I paid Danjovi for it). In Europe, we get screwed on Boogie prices perhaps it's poetic justice that Diezel gear in the US is about 1.5x what we would pay for it in Europe. So, ask yourselves - if you take the import duty from the proice of the Herbert (I'm not familiar with US law so I don't know the exact calue), THEN is it worth the asking price? I think a lot more of you would say yes. Alternatively, simply consider that ytou get Boogie's for about half the price we do here - so if you were in Europe, would you go with a Boogie or a Diezel? I suspect Salwender takes a pretty big cut too...that's another layer which does not exist for American-made amps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Snider Posted May 19, 2006 Members Share Posted May 19, 2006 Originally posted by carlygtr56 Eric Gales as well. Scott Henderson (Tremoverb) sounded good too!There are lots of guys who have had good sounds from the Rectos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Wizard of Ozz Posted May 19, 2006 Members Share Posted May 19, 2006 Originally posted by Snider There are lots of guys who have had good sounds from the Rectos. +1I get plenty of good sounds from mine... and I don't mean numetal or heavily downtuned sloppy chugging chordwork.Remember there was a time when George Lynch, John Petrucci, Michael Wilton (Queensryche), James/Kirk (Metallica) used these amps... and all these guys had no trouble dialing in some killer tones. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members steve10358 Posted May 19, 2006 Members Share Posted May 19, 2006 Originally posted by scott_335 Jesus Christ! It is an amp. dont be fanboys. Honestly, it's not about that. I get people that tell me all the time they like my marshall better than my diezel. No biggie. It's just that when someone slanders the quality of a piece- NO MATTER WHO MAKES IT... well then, lets just stick with that now.I hear a lot of "comparisons" between Diezel and Boogie.... I'll tell you first hand that there is no way my Diezel's PCB is going to warp under heat and stress like my recto did. I love boogie, but its just a comparison.Once again- its not about the tonal opinion. Just the reliability facts. I would NEVER get upset because someone else has a different opinion on tone than I do. Thats why there are so many great products to begin with!!S. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members maz_master Posted May 19, 2006 Members Share Posted May 19, 2006 Originally posted by Snider Scott Henderson (Tremoverb) sounded good too! There are lots of guys who have had good sounds from the Rectos. Well, the T-Verb is a bit of an exception. My bandmate had one and got great tones out of it too, but it sounded completely different than the Dual Rectifiers of the late 90's I've played. As for Petrucci, I never like his tone either. Great shredder, but his tone never impressed me. Like I said, maybe the Series 2 units are much better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members maz_master Posted May 19, 2006 Members Share Posted May 19, 2006 Originally posted by Wizard of Ozz +1 I get plenty of good sounds from mine... and I don't mean numetal or heavily downtuned sloppy chugging chordwork. Remember there was a time when George Lynch, John Petrucci, Michael Wilton (Queensryche), James/Kirk (Metallica) used these amps... and all these guys had no trouble dialing in some killer tones. Always hated Metallica and Petrucci tone. Lynch has a way of extracting good to great tone out of anything, but I don't follow him so can't connect what I've heard to what amp he was playing at the time. I know he switches it up constantly.And, BTW, somebody mentioned Foo Fighters using DRs, but the Budda site has a link to one of their official CD releases claiming they used an SD-80. So, when talking about these bands and their great tones on any given tune, I think you gotta' be careful. Most of these bands line up a studio full of amps and use different ones on different parts, as well as playing multiples simultaneously. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members maz_master Posted May 19, 2006 Members Share Posted May 19, 2006 Originally posted by steve10358 Honestly, it's not about that. I get people that tell me all the time they like my marshall better than my diezel. No biggie. It's just that when someone slanders the quality of a piece- NO MATTER WHO MAKES IT... well then, lets just stick with that now. I hear a lot of "comparisons" between Diezel and Boogie.... I'll tell you first hand that there is no way my Diezel's PCB is going to warp under heat and stress like my recto did. I love boogie, but its just a comparison. Once again- its not about the tonal opinion. Just the reliability facts. I would NEVER get upset because someone else has a different opinion on tone than I do. Thats why there are so many great products to begin with!! S. Well, that's what I was originally trying to say... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members carlygtr56 Posted May 19, 2006 Members Share Posted May 19, 2006 Originally posted by maz_master Haven't heard Holdsworth play one. Any published recordings where it is known he used a Recto? Maybe he had Trace mod his too? Maybe they're incredibly picky about speakers/cabs? Maybe the "Series II" improvements fixed what I always hated about them? Hey, I'm open-minded... There were pics of Holdsworth and his Rectos and settings in magazines before any of this modding bs.If I put up audio of Reeves Gabrials absolutely crushing thru an early Dual Recto stack, it's anything BUT buzzy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Def_Pearl_Pilot Posted May 19, 2006 Members Share Posted May 19, 2006 Originally posted by Peter Diezel Hello Vid !You are right, I don Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members vidnotlaw Posted May 19, 2006 Members Share Posted May 19, 2006 Originally posted by Def_Pearl_Pilot That's why your amps rock. I HATE sizzle in amps. I just want to make sure that I am not being misunderstood:For me... sizzle does not equal buzz. I can't stand a buzzy sound. Sizzle is hard to explain. I would have to have a Herbert and another amp side by side and you would have to hear what I was calling sizzle. It's 'bite' and slaps you in the face. The only clip that I have heard on these forums (at least that come to mind righ tnow) that sounded like it had some great sizzle to it was a clip of a Splawn Quick Rod. Man that amps sounds like it just SMACKS you right in the face!!The Diezel sounded like it has a very compressed high end to me. Like a blanket over it. Other than that is was a SPECTACULAR amp!!!Take care,Vid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Rufus Leaking Posted May 19, 2006 Members Share Posted May 19, 2006 Originally posted by vidnotlaw I just want to make sure that I am not being misunderstood: For me... sizzle does not equal buzz. I can't stand a buzzy sound. Sizzle is hard to explain. I would have to have a Herbert and another amp side by side and you would have to hear what I was calling sizzle. It's 'bite' and slaps you in the face. The only clip that I have heard on these forums (at least that come to mind righ tnow) that sounded like it had some great sizzle to it was a clip of a Splawn Quick Rod. Man that amps sounds like it just SMACKS you right in the face!! The Diezel sounded like it has a very compressed high end to me. Like a blanket over it. Other than that is was a SPECTACULAR amp!!! Take care, Vid Those were my findings with the Herbert as well and why I sold it after just a few weeks. To my ears the amp lacks upper mid presence.... plenty of nice tight low end and smooth high end, but it lacked body. I kept turning up the presence, mids, treble and it still always felt like something was missing to me. Great amp and extremely well made though! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members maz_master Posted May 19, 2006 Members Share Posted May 19, 2006 Originally posted by carlygtr56 There were pics of Holdsworth and his Rectos and settings in magazines before any of this modding bs. If I put up audio of Reeves Gabrials absolutely crushing thru an early Dual Recto stack, it's anything BUT buzzy. Well, maybe it's the way most of the 90's radio rock bands dialed them in and/or recorded them because most of them sounded horrible to me. And, the Road King I owned sucked major ass, while my bandmate's T-Verb kicked major ass! I was able to plug into that and get any tone I wanted within minutes, but not the Road King or the DRs I played in the late 90's. My bandmate now owns a Mark IIC+ and it also kicks ass. So, I'm not indiscriminately bashing Mesa here. I could not dial out the fuzziness on the RK (spent two full weekend days working with that amp - I really wanted it to work!) and late 90's DRs I played and I also hear it on most of those 90's bands recordings.So, tell me, what was I doing wrong? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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