Moderators justcrash Posted December 31, 2008 Moderators Share Posted December 31, 2008 This: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZhHph4IOkcBetter than mids obsessed modern Chillis: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=abrKM1Z_te8I thought both of those tones were very useable. I love old INXS though, so that could be my rose colored glasses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members thefyn Posted December 31, 2008 Members Share Posted December 31, 2008 Where does the bass player fit in this equation? In the back of the van rolling around with the drums as the real men sit up front. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ComingApart Posted December 31, 2008 Members Share Posted December 31, 2008 In the back of the van rolling around with the drums as the real men sit up front. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members hecticone Posted December 31, 2008 Members Share Posted December 31, 2008 You wouldn't last long in one of my bands.There is no I in team. We beat the crap out of the egomaniacs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Filter500 Posted December 31, 2008 Members Share Posted December 31, 2008 Rather than cranking the mids, how about just turning the bass down? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Bumhucker Posted December 31, 2008 Members Share Posted December 31, 2008 Where does the bass player fit in this equation? Well, if you tune down 3 whole steps and turnz teh mids all the way down you don't even need him. I do like a slightly scooped tone here and there, but Mustaines tone during Rust In Peace days is sexay and the epitome of a nice midrange crunch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Flogger59 Posted December 31, 2008 Members Share Posted December 31, 2008 Mic'ing up a guitar, running it through miles of solid state electronics, and having the sound that was originally point-source at the guitar cab be split into 3 or 4 frequency ranges in the PA will tend to scoop the mids, anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members RaceU4her Posted December 31, 2008 Members Share Posted December 31, 2008 I do like a slightly scooped tone here and there, but Mustaines tone during Rust In Peace days is sexay and the epitome of a nice midrange crunch. Rust in Peace is honestly everything i dont want my guitar to sound like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members thefyn Posted December 31, 2008 Members Share Posted December 31, 2008 You wouldn't last long in one of my bands.There is no I in team. We beat the crap out of the egomaniacs. The greatest musicians/composers of the last 1000 years are all egomaniacs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members thefyn Posted December 31, 2008 Members Share Posted December 31, 2008 I am no doctor, but I think something is wrong with his leg.He doesn't look very happy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members hecticone Posted December 31, 2008 Members Share Posted December 31, 2008 The greatest musicians/composers of the last 1000 years are all egomaniacs. :poke: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Oblivion DC Posted December 31, 2008 Members Share Posted December 31, 2008 The greatest musicians/composers of the last 1000 years are all egomaniacs. I don't want them in my band either... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators justcrash Posted December 31, 2008 Moderators Share Posted December 31, 2008 The greatest musicians/composers of the last 1000 years are all egomaniacs.There is a vast chasm between "egomaniac, brilliant musician" and "egomaniac F'ing ass who will spend his entire life being too hip for the room". Something 99% of the egomaniac musicians I've met have failed to understand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DeathMonkey Posted December 31, 2008 Members Share Posted December 31, 2008 I've found that 90% of the time, all my amps end up with everything at about 2 o'clock. Which is funny, because a sound guy recently said "yeah, you've got that standard scooped metal tone", as I stared at my SIG X with the wood setting and the mids healthily up around 7. Another note to soundguys, if the amp is too bright, why not get the damn mic off the dustcap? Sorry, personal pet peeve. Anyways. I think a lot of it has to do with the other sonics going on. Both my co-guitarist and I do occasionally run the mids a little lower, but that's partly to make room for the samples and keyboards in the backing tracks. For me it's all about finding the right place, and doing whatever I have to do to get there. Scopping highlights the treble and perceived bass, so I understand why people do it, but at the end of the day, a balanced tone is always going to sound better - if your band's tone sucks, especially if you think it's too bassy, or not bassy enough, talk to the bassist and drummer as well. I've found in recording I tend to record with pretty zesty mids, and then I carve some out to make room for other stuff. One of the things I love about the UL is that I can drop the 500k slider to make room for vocals pretty easily live. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Sex Panther Posted December 31, 2008 Members Share Posted December 31, 2008 seriously .. some people are so {censored}ing clueless... I let a friend of mine borrow my "beater" amp last night for his practice, it'sa Carvin Valvemaster. Now granted that's no Mark III but it's a decent sounding amp. Well I decided to stop by at the studio to watch their practice. I get there and ask how is the amp working and he says "it sounds good but I am having trouble hearing myself". Bear in mind, this is a 100w and he plays in a 3-piece. I take a look at the amp and his settings are: Gain 10 Bass 10 Mids 3 Treble 5 and since he couldn't hear himself.... Presence 10 :facepalm: I change his EQ setting to something more reasonable and he starts to play again and says "WOW this is the BEST amp ever" (no it isn't) and now he wants to buy it from me. Keep in mind he has a DSL (a much better amp) that is currently in the shop. It turns out that he's been setting his DSL like that for years, always have problems with his tone and it NEVER occurred to him to add mids to cut through, he just kept turning it up all the time x 1 million.A DSL will sound like ballz in a woodchipper with those settings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ComingApart Posted December 31, 2008 Members Share Posted December 31, 2008 I am no doctor, but I think something is wrong with his leg.He doesn't look very happy. I concur, sir. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members hecticone Posted December 31, 2008 Members Share Posted December 31, 2008 I would rather have fun playing out, then be playing the pissing game all the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members RoboPimp Posted December 31, 2008 Members Share Posted December 31, 2008 I say crank the treble! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Hardtail Posted December 31, 2008 Members Share Posted December 31, 2008 seriously .. some people are so {censored}ing clueless... I let a friend of mine borrow my "beater" amp last night for his practice, it'sa Carvin Valvemaster. Now granted that's no Mark III but it's a decent sounding amp. Well I decided to stop by at the studio to watch their practice. I get there and ask how is the amp working and he says "it sounds good but I am having trouble hearing myself". Bear in mind, this is a 100w and he plays in a 3-piece. I take a look at the amp and his settings are: Gain 10 Bass 10 Mids 3 Treble 5 and since he couldn't hear himself.... Presence 10 :facepalm: I change his EQ setting to something more reasonable and he starts to play again and says "WOW this is the BEST amp ever" (no it isn't) and now he wants to buy it from me. Keep in mind he has a DSL (a much better amp) that is currently in the shop. It turns out that he's been setting his DSL like that for years, always have problems with his tone and it NEVER occurred to him to add mids to cut through, he just kept turning it up all the time THere's some truth in that, but I've never had any trouble cutting through somewhat scooping mids ... you have to pay attention & be observant of the mix though.HT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members guitarbilly74 Posted December 31, 2008 Author Members Share Posted December 31, 2008 This..I dont particularly scoop, but for a live situation I keep the mids kinda low and I cut through fine., BUt I play PVXXX or 5150's which cut through really well anyway... I use a fairly good amount of bass and I keep the treble in reason and Im set to go.... Peaveys have a huge amount of mids in their core tone, there is no need to boost mids on a Peavey. Most other amps will benefit from it though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members thefyn Posted December 31, 2008 Members Share Posted December 31, 2008 I don't want them in my band either... I would have a young Tina Turner in my band in a heartbeat, so I can slap her around for years and get away with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DeathMonkey Posted December 31, 2008 Members Share Posted December 31, 2008 Mic'ing up a guitar, running it through miles of solid state electronics, and having the sound that was originally point-source at the guitar cab be split into 3 or 4 frequency ranges in the PA will tend to scoop the mids, anyway. You know, this is true, and so many guitarists are setting their amps up from a listening position that is 3 feet up and 3 feet over from what the mic is hearing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members guitarbilly74 Posted December 31, 2008 Author Members Share Posted December 31, 2008 he said slightly scooped, and i agree with him. mids turned slightly lower than your other knobs. bass 5, mid 4, treble 6 would technically be "scooped" yeah that's more reasonable.. yesterday we ended up setting the treble at 6, mids at 6 and bass at 4.5 with the gain around 7... it sounded WAY better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members cobrahead1030 Posted December 31, 2008 Members Share Posted December 31, 2008 i'm not a fan of super mids, but ya gotta have some balance in your tone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members thefyn Posted December 31, 2008 Members Share Posted December 31, 2008 Live I tend to put everything on 5 and scoop the mids a little and let the volume dictate the bass (and the bass player). If I am using a 2x12 I do tend to up the bass a little because I am an insecure little girl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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