Members hecticone Posted December 31, 2008 Members Share Posted December 31, 2008 It also depends on the number of musicians in the band. I have a completely different set up when I play with the 3 piece compared to the 5 piece. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members guitarbilly74 Posted December 31, 2008 Author Members Share Posted December 31, 2008 It also depends on the number of musicians in the band. I have a completely different set up when I play with the 3 piece compared to the 5 piece. troof Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Alex W Posted December 31, 2008 Members Share Posted December 31, 2008 I don't agree. Low gain, and high mids are overdone.I want slightly scooped buzzsaw guitars that don't steal the hi-hats and vocals freqs. Guitar cutting pristine through the mix has made everything sound honky and too in your face processed. I am after a warmer experience and am fed up of the noise wars and guitar mids obsession.SCOOP 4 EVA!This:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NXZMi8GQcKwIs better than this:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BcmEq7vLDIsThis:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZhHph4IOkcBetter than mids obsessed modern Chillis:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=abrKM1Z_te8It's all starting to shred my ears. First clip...holy crap you really think that sounds better than the Trivium clip? I'm not even talking musical style, just pure tone alone I liked the Trivium clip much better and I really dislike Trivium. The second set of clips are both good tones. I like old INXS but I really like newer Chili Peppers from about the time they ditched Dave Navarro. I think Frusciante's tone is full of win. It's hard to compare tones of two different styles of music. They each work for what they are trying to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members thefyn Posted December 31, 2008 Members Share Posted December 31, 2008 This one is in the key of BEE MAJOR Your new name is Jiggle Billy. Commence to jigglin' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members guitarbilly74 Posted December 31, 2008 Author Members Share Posted December 31, 2008 The second set of clips are both good tones. I like old INXS but I really like newer Chili Peppers from about the time they ditched Dave Navarro. I think Frusciante's tone is full of win. It's hard to compare tones of two different styles of music. They each work for what they are trying to do. I agree.. and I also think scooped mids works well for clean tones anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members spawnofthesith Posted December 31, 2008 Members Share Posted December 31, 2008 Mids on a 5150 II past noon is a huge no no.Congrats, you set everyone's teeth on edge. In your tonal opinion perhaps. Mids below 5 on a 5150 are definitely a no no, in a band setting at least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members thefyn Posted December 31, 2008 Members Share Posted December 31, 2008 First clip...holy crap you really think that sounds better than the Trivium clip? I'm not even talking musical style, just pure tone alone I liked the Trivium clip much better and I really dislike Trivium.The second set of clips are both good tones. I like old INXS but I really like newer Chili Peppers from about the time they ditched Dave Navarro. I think Frusciante's tone is full of win. It's hard to compare tones of two different styles of music. They each work for what they are trying to do. That is why I am in the minority. I think the Trivium sound is safe and the Laaz Rockit sound is more METAL because it is angry and pissed off. Fuschante's tone went from genius of blood sugar sex magic to ear scraping {censored}e in the modern disks IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members RaceU4her Posted December 31, 2008 Members Share Posted December 31, 2008 In your tonal opinion perhaps. Mids below 5 on a 5150 are definitely a no no, in a band setting at least. are you for real man? id really hate to hear what some peoples rigs sound like around here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members thegame Posted December 31, 2008 Members Share Posted December 31, 2008 The only way to scoop successfully in a live mix is having a midrangy tone coming from your cab. Then have the soundman selectively scoop your tone using the mixing board EQ. Preferably parametric. Then HE can pick what frequency (of absence thereof) won't interfere with the rest of the mix. Of course most people won't have this luxury. And another thing, don't people realize that your amp's mid knob setting is far from the only factor in how scooped or not scooped the amps tone is ? Some circuits/amps are inherently more scooped than others. E.G. A Bogner Ubershcall with the mids and presence (a mid control itself on this amp) on 10 sounds far more scooped than a JCM 800 with its mids way down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members spawnofthesith Posted December 31, 2008 Members Share Posted December 31, 2008 You can do maybe 4 in a band setting but below that you just can't hear the guitar anymore in the mix. I was just recently at an In Flames show, and my only complaint was that the guitars were near impossible to hear because the mids were at about three (on Jespers amp at least. That was the one I zoomed in on a camera to look at settings) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members RaceU4her Posted December 31, 2008 Members Share Posted December 31, 2008 I was just recently at an In Flames show thats too bad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members thefyn Posted December 31, 2008 Members Share Posted December 31, 2008 In your tonal opinion perhaps. Mids below 5 on a 5150 are definitely a no no, in a band setting at least. Dude 5150's are mid monsters. People who like mids usually have them below 5 on a 5150. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members thefyn Posted December 31, 2008 Members Share Posted December 31, 2008 You can do maybe 4 in a band setting but below that you just can't hear the guitar anymore in the mix. I was just recently at an In Flames show, and my only complaint was that the guitars were near impossible to hear because the mids were at about three (on Jespers amp at least. That was the one I zoomed in on a camera to look at settings) His mids were low on the 5150 because he has ears. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Marc Roy Posted December 31, 2008 Members Share Posted December 31, 2008 When using my Strat and Dr. Z Maz, I find it helps to crank the mid knob since the amp has plenty of presence to begin with. I run the head through a heavy, ported 2x12 which really puts out a lot of low end. I don't use high gain, so this works nicely for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members spawnofthesith Posted December 31, 2008 Members Share Posted December 31, 2008 Whatever man. Tone is subjective. I personally would never go below 4 on the mids, and wouldn't go higher than the 6.5 I am at now. I recently got this amp so I am still working on my tone from it, but I couldn't go outside of those parameters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members guitarbilly74 Posted December 31, 2008 Author Members Share Posted December 31, 2008 Whatever man. Tone is subjective. I know. But read the original post. Guy was playing for an hour with a 100w tube head and couldn't hear himself for {censored} over bass and drums. Not even that big of a mix. That's when you have to stop and re-eq your gear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members spawnofthesith Posted December 31, 2008 Members Share Posted December 31, 2008 I know. But read the original post. Guy was playing for an hour with a 100w tube head and couldn't hear himself for {censored} over bass and drums. Not even that big of a mix. That's when you have to stop and re-eq your gear. Oh that wasn't directed at the OP it was part of the 5150 mids discussion I was having with thefyn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members guitarbilly74 Posted December 31, 2008 Author Members Share Posted December 31, 2008 Oh that wasn't directed at the OP it was part of the 5150 mids discussion I was having with thefyn gotcha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members n0fx Posted December 31, 2008 Members Share Posted December 31, 2008 This is a classic case of "Bedroomwankitis". You try those settings without a PA and playing to people 100 plus feet out... WELL, ya' know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members guitarbilly74 Posted December 31, 2008 Author Members Share Posted December 31, 2008 This is a classic case of "Bedroomwankitis". You try those settings without a PA and playing to people 100 plus feet out... WELL, ya' know. yeah.. the guy is a decent player though and play out quite often, he should be over that stage now. I saw his band live once and yep, he sounded like {censored}, but he blamed on the soundguy and I believed him.. but now I know the real reason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members thefyn Posted December 31, 2008 Members Share Posted December 31, 2008 This is a classic case of "Bedroomwankitis". You try those settings without a PA and playing to people 100 plus feet out...WELL, ya' know. [YOUTUBE][/YOUTUBE] Scoop to the masses!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Alex W Posted December 31, 2008 Members Share Posted December 31, 2008 Scoop to the masses!!!! Never been a fan of Dimebag's tone at all. It's way too scooped and grainy for me. I know a lot of people like it but it just really sounds harsh to my ears. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members thefyn Posted December 31, 2008 Members Share Posted December 31, 2008 Never been a fan of Dimebag's tone at all. It's way too scooped and grainy for me. I know a lot of people like it but it just really sounds harsh to my ears. Do you really prefer this type of tone: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BhYT-7bzHis http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aubiqATgNaQ&feature=related Because it is "good" tone? I think it is counter productive when something angry sounds so professional and polished. I want my smelly metal back. Does anyone at least get my point? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Alex W Posted December 31, 2008 Members Share Posted December 31, 2008 Do you really prefer this type of tone:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BhYT-7bzHishttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aubiqATgNaQ&feature=relatedBecause it is "good" tone? I think it is counter productive when something angry sounds so professional and polished. I want my smelly metal back. Does anyone at least get my point? Those tones are ok, but I will agree with you that a lot of current music is WAY too overproduced. A lot of this new {censored} sounds like one of Britney Spear's producers got ahold of the track. I miss the stuff in the 90's that was really raw and lo-fi. The Grunge/Indie scene of the 90's is some of the best sounding stuff IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Chippy Posted December 31, 2008 Members Share Posted December 31, 2008 I am no doctor, but I think something is wrong with his leg.He doesn't look very happy. Well, I'm an internet doctor & I say he was obviously born with an extra knee. Probably why he can run so fast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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