House Break In

[jnurp]

this inevitable war between Ricky bobby and cooker is going to be epic folks. When ricky Bobby has a hard on for you, there is no {censored}ing escape. .

[Neilrocks25]

Come on Neil. Please don't start this here. It's not murder when you are protecting your safety.

 

 

Simple answer I have always lived in places where I have never had to worry about this stuff.

Don't get me wrong I have seen it I was on a jury where we convicted the guy for armed robbery, but still in the UK its rare and here its almost non existent. So why you guys are arming your selves to the teeth I am sitting back with my bug spray because that's the biggest threat I have.

 

Shame you guys have to feel safe by owning a gun really.

 

THIS IS NOT ANTI GUN BEFORE THE RAMBO CROWD PIPE UP, JUST ANTI THE NEED FOR GUNS FOR SAFETY.

[Neilrocks25]

Makes sense to me ... and I like your emergency response plan - gotta have your thoughts together long before something like this goes down. Waiting for Neils pacifist response ...

lol butthurt much. I never saw the need for a mullet but I guess fat chicks love them

[Ron Burgandy]

this inevitable war between Ricky bobby and cooker is going to be epic folks. When ricky Bobby has a hard on for you, there is no {censored}ing escape. .

 

Cooker likes being my bottom bitch. I make his Mom watch when I bloody up his jizz catcher of an asshole.

[-todgemistro-]

Ricky Bobby for forum president.

[Ron Burgandy]

He told me his real name but I call him Eric.

[Cooker]

There will be no war. Ricky Bobby is so retarded and bad at trolling I can't him seriously. It doesn't even inspire an ounce of anger out of me. Too transparent and hollow. I suppose I will inform Ricky Bobby again that he is a trailer trash piece of {censored}, just to please the crowd.

 

What does make me a little angry is that you think RB would be worthy of battling me, jnurp.... maybe I will war with you?!!?

 

Nah jk you're too cool

[Ron Burgandy]

We only battle when we wrestle naked

[bish0p34]

Despite the fact that PA's new governor sold us all out to gas companies, he did one thing right...reinstated the Castle laws, giving us the right to defend ourselves!

that said, according to the US government's newest policies you should have opened your doors to the said Hispanics, given them your tax dollars, learned their language, and let them have your job too lol....

In all seriousness though, sorry to hear that. Hope you get out safely!

[senor-penguin]

Breaking & Entering = I'm going to do whatever necessary to make sure it does not happen again.

[mymindsok]

In OH if someone is in your house and they come at you or you feel in danger, you can fire upon them. Now if they're outside the house running, I'm SOL and have to let them go. Same thing if they're stealing my car or something. Had I had a gun yesterday (BTW I now have a .357 loaded with hollow points in the bedroom) he would be dead. He came in the window, I had a clear shot at him and I would have said he was coming at me, because honestly at the time I had no idea if he would or wouldn't. Again, I wouldn't have lost a wink of sleep over one less criminal on earth. But yeah, I'm done with Cleveland.

Uh huh...

So, Mister Macho. You hear someone fooling with your front door. You grab Dads gun. The door opens and a guy walks in. It's dark but its your house. You fire your gun, killing him. It's a cut and dry case until the next day, when it comes out that the guy was a Mexican Medical Doctor from a University in Mexico City, who was doing research at Cleveland Clinic. The guy had almost perfected a cure for cancer.

It also happens that he had just gotten to town, mistook your house for his sisters, walked in, realized that your shabby-ass couch wasn't the one he'd been sleeping on for two days, turned to leave and you shot him in the back with your Dad's gun, just as he stepped onto the porch. The evidence proves that he wasn't in your house when you shot, he was wounded in the back, he fell on the porch, he bled out.

Everything goes OK at your trial (Despite the fact that the gun wasn't yours!), until the morning the prosecutor pulls out the Medical Examiners report and shows the jury photos of the dead doctor with the hole in his back and then pulls out these pages and reads your statements about killing folks to the jury. Then all-of-a-sudden, you'll be thinking about how many Mexican Salads you'll be tossing for the next 20 years!

You say it can't happen? Do some research. It's happened already! Also remember... Sam Shepperd went to Ohio Penitentiary for trying to stave off his wifes killer. You're living in OHIO!

Smart gun owners never have to pull the trigger.

Only a complete and utter fool threatens to kill anyone at a Bar, in print or on the Internet.

PS: All of you Gun Nuts should buy and read "In the Gravest Extreme" 'The Role of the Firearm in Personal Protection' by Massad F. Ayoob Make sure you read it several times before you buy or borrow a gun.

PPS: Racking or cocking a gun to scare an intruder, will get you killed. Almost anyone whose been in the military,or who has had Firearms Training will come in ready to shoot and will move towards and at shoot at a sound. Last I heard, there were quite a few ex-military Meth addicts in Cleveland.

[Matt Gnarly]

Uh huh... So, Mister Macho. You hear someone fooling with your front door. You grab Dads gun. The door opens and a guy walks in. It's dark but its your house. You fire your gun, killing him. It's a cut and dry case until the next day, when it comes out that the guy was a Mexican Medical Doctor from a University in Mexico, who was doing research at Cleveland Clinic. The guy had almost perfected a cure for cancer. It also happens that he had just gotten to town, mistook your house for his sisters, walked in, realized that your shabby-ass couch wasn't the one he'd been sleeping on for two days, turned to leave and you shot him in the back with your Dad's gun, just as he stepped onto the porch. The evidence proves that he wasn't in your house when you shot, he was wounded in the back, he fell on the porch, he bled out. Everything goes OK at your trial (Despite the fact that the gun wasn't yours!), until the morning the prosecutor pulls out the Medical Examiners report and shows the jury photos of the dead doctor with the hole in his back and then pulls out these pages and reads your statements about killing folks to the jury. Then all-of-a-sudden, you'll be thinking about how many Mexican Salads you'll be tossing for the next 20 years! You say it can't happen? Do some research. It's happened already! Also remember... Sam Shepperd went to Ohio Penitentiary for trying to stave off his wifes killer. You're living in OHIO! Smart gun owners never have to pull the trigger. Only a complete and utter fool threatens to kill anyone at a Bar, in print or on the Internet. PS: All of you Gun Nuts should buy and read "In the Gravest Extreme" 'The Role of the Firearm in Personal Protection' by Massad F. Ayoob Make sure you read it several times before you buy or borrow a gun. PS: Racking or cocking a gun to scare an intruder, will get you killed. Almost anyone whose been in the military,or who has had Firearms Training will come in ready to shoot and will move towards and at shoot at a sound. Last I heard, there were quite a few ex-military Meth addicts in Cleveland.

 

Quoted for awesomeness.

[Sourze]

Quoted for awesomeness.

 

 

Quoted awesomeness for awesomeness.

[mymindsok]

I'm in Ohio City. It is an up and coming neighborhood but it has a LONG way to go. Right now it's nice houses (like mine) mixed with {censored} holes. The people also run that gamut. I'm over it. I'm thinking Rocky River is gonna be my new home in the near future.

 

 

Ohio City?

 

Thats over by W 25th Street, right? I grew up in Cleveland and while the the W 25th Street area has had some ups and downs, it's basically always been a rat hole looking for a better tomorrow that never comes.

 

Cleveland was once a beautiful, safe place to live where you could make a good living and raise a family but the last 100 years have been very hard on the town and the decline really kicked into gear in the 80's. Now, all it has is the RR Hall of Fame and the Cuyahoga River and that won't even burn anymore!

 

Unfortunately, all of the money skipped town and the only things left are being fought over by opposing political and racial factions. It's sad because culturally and educationally, the place has advantages but getting caught there can be a slow death and the weather sucks big time.

 

I always thought that if I had to put up with all that {censored}, I'd just as well live someplace pretty, where the weathers good, so I moved to Nor Cal. If you can get out, you should. I hear South America is going great guns.

[-todgemistro-]

Thread also reminds me of this awesome scene from Peep Show, Mark detaining the guy nicking his tv

 

[yourguitarhero]

Lol, guns - what a bunch of pussies!
Do it old school:

[Hapless]

If you're going to buy a gun for home defense, you really ought to decide first if you have the capacity to take a life. If you aren't absolutely sure you can shoot someone, you have no business with a gun in that situation. You'll get it taken from you and used on you.

[Y0UNGBL00D]

ok, got to page 8 then tldr....


some good points made on both sides, shouldnt have came to name calling, but alas, it is hcaf.

some points adressed:

racking a shotgun--
while this tactical debate will undoubtedly rage on for eternity, the professionals seem to go with mesa4x12er, and i tend to agree, depending on the circumstances. while, yes, the majority of the time an intruder will turn tail at the sound, you racking your weapon DOES give your position away and means either A) your weapon did not have a round chambered in the first place and therefore wasn't ready to fire already (a BIG no-no) or B) you just dumped a round on the floor. both are pretty silly if you bought the weapon to legitimately defend yourself.
if i were an ARMED intruder, i would not run blindly out, but would train my weapon toward the source while carefully backing out as best as possible. in your home, if you are in a position of cover or concealment, cycling the weapon may work just peachy. if you are caught in the open or make a tactical error and end up zigging when he zags down that odd hallway, and he trains his weapon on you, and yours is either not chambered or a round down and you get into the worst case scenario gunfight, you should want all tactical advantage.

a shotgun can be the perfect home defence weapon, but remember the 3/3/3 rule: most gunfights last under 3 secs, are within 3 feet, and are over at or before 3 rounds. depending on your layout, a shotgun or a pistol may be more appropriate, or you may choose both and employ them depending on where the intruder has entered your house.

the point was made about shot spreads. very true. shot does not spread more than say a fist width in close quarters. i would often prefer 19 rounds of maneuverable surpressive fire than 5 or 6 of unwieldly longgun, but agian, the situation may call for either. pistols do require a little bit more finesse, but a few trips to the range should have you pretty comfortable.

which reminds me, if you have a gun, use it. regularly. get fmailliar. you OR your wife should be able to swiftly and effectively ready and fire within seconds from its storage location. period.

check your local "castle" laws, stay smart. states are different, and it is pointless debaitng it. this {censored} wont hold up in court. (but...but...but....the night crew said ohio was ok!!!!)

im no pacifist, but remember, it IS just stuff. get insured. you will be reimbursed, usually moreso than you even paid. chances are they are not there to steal your priceless pre war martin your dad gave you.
so if you find yourself at the top of the stairs, retaining the element of surpise, perhaps in a prone position while a visibly armed intruder peruses your belongings, if your familly is behind you safe upstairs, train your weapon on him, but standby and begrudgingly watch him work. quietly alert 911 if you can, but dont take the chance if you cant. let him do his thing and leave and let the authorities do their job UNLESS you or your familly is in IMMEDIATE danger. if you have the drop on him, sternly verbally command his exit. sound stupid? did to me too, at first. but stern, loud, clear warnings and directions (i know its tempting to say "mother{censored}er", but try to stay official) are usually amuch better deterrant to a potentially volatile situation than the fear a shotgun-rack might induce in an armed intruder. be ready, though, and i mean READY-READY to fire if he brings his guns to bear. easier said, this is a tactical decision that requires fast thinking and good marksmanship under pressure. if you havent practiced, cant hit the broad side of a barn, or get flustered while trying ot put a CD in while driving, you might want to just stay silent and still with your weapon trained until the intruder departs.

be good peoplel, children. some of you are like 40+. keep the chest pounding out of advise that could save/end someones life.


and the dude that advised taking the firing pin out of the shotgun for safety

[Terminus]

THIS IS NOT ANTI GUN BEFORE THE RAMBO CROWD PIPE UP, JUST ANTI THE NEED FOR GUNS FOR SAFETY.

 

 

Sorry, but by maps logic you have to be either or. There's no inbetween, ever.

[Mesa4x12er2]

Oh yeah, Dumbass. Lol

 

Funny coming from a guy that can't even debate his position.

[Y0UNGBL00D]

mesa, its 4:27 in texas. what are you doing awake? come to keep me company at work?

[Mesa4x12er2]

mesa, its 4:27 in texas. what are you doing awake? come to keep me company at work?

 

I'm working too man. I do IT for Europe so its morning there. But yes.. yes I came to keep you company.

[facefirst]

Uh huh... So, Mister Macho. You hear someone fooling with your front door. You grab Dads gun. The door opens and a guy walks in. It's dark but its your house. You fire your gun, killing him. It's a cut and dry case until the next day, when it comes out that the guy was a Mexican Medical Doctor from a University in Mexico City, who was doing research at Cleveland Clinic. The guy had almost perfected a cure for cancer. It also happens that he had just gotten to town, mistook your house for his sisters, walked in, realized that your shabby-ass couch wasn't the one he'd been sleeping on for two days, turned to leave and you shot him in the back with your Dad's gun, just as he stepped onto the porch. The evidence proves that he wasn't in your house when you shot, he was wounded in the back, he fell on the porch, he bled out. Everything goes OK at your trial (Despite the fact that the gun wasn't yours!), until the morning the prosecutor pulls out the Medical Examiners report and shows the jury photos of the dead doctor with the hole in his back and then pulls out these pages and reads your statements about killing folks to the jury. Then all-of-a-sudden, you'll be thinking about how many Mexican Salads you'll be tossing for the next 20 years! You say it can't happen? Do some research. It's happened already! Also remember... Sam Shepperd went to Ohio Penitentiary for trying to stave off his wifes killer. You're living in OHIO! Smart gun owners never have to pull the trigger. Only a complete and utter fool threatens to kill anyone at a Bar, in print or on the Internet. PS: All of you Gun Nuts should buy and read "In the Gravest Extreme" 'The Role of the Firearm in Personal Protection' by Massad F. Ayoob Make sure you read it several times before you buy or borrow a gun. PPS: Racking or cocking a gun to scare an intruder, will get you killed. Almost anyone whose been in the military,or who has had Firearms Training will come in ready to shoot and will move towards and at shoot at a sound. Last I heard, there were quite a few ex-military Meth addicts in Cleveland.

 

Who said anything about shooting them in the back? You assume that I'm just going in guns blazing like John Wayne. If I felt threatened I'd shoot without hesitation after I've assessed the situation. If he ran, then he just saved his own life. Must be nice in your little girl world where everything is so cut and dry and polarized. Keep spewing your ridiculousness. I understand you're trying to prove a point. Unfortunately, you failed miserably.

[NeloAngelo]

that was a text based bitch slap.

 

you tell that mother{censored}er.

[facefirst]

 

that was a text based bitch slap. you tell that mother{censored}er.

 

 

Ha ha thanks! It just seems that when people hear that you'd protect yourself in your house with your gun they immediately assume you're just gonna monkey roll into the room dressed like Commando and start spraying the whole area with bullets. I mean, if the person runs then that's the end of the situation and I'd think the gun did it's job without even having to use it. It's not like I'd WANT to kill a person, but if it's a situation where I feel it's either him or me, it sure as {censored} isn't going to be me. I also don't think I'd feel too bad about it.