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Friend needs help with her Rogue acoustic guitar


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A friend of mine bought a Rogue acoustic guitar from MF last year and sometime after having it for 45 days she noticed that it wasn't staying in tune. When I asked her about it tonight I asked her to clarify and from what she told me it sounds like the intonation up the neck is bad and I also get the feeling that the action is pretty high too. To me that sounds like a classic tale of a neck reset and you know how that goes with regards to cheap guitars.

 

Problem is that she's not sure if she has a warranty or not. It sounds like it's too late for her to send it back and she's kind of upset about it. She bought it to gig with and she thinks she's lost her money with it as an investment. I've never bought anything from MF and I've not familiar with the Rogue brand so I'm not sure what the warranty situation is. Can anybody here provide any info on this?

 

If there is no warranty on this then I think she may want to explore having it repaired. Again, I'm not familiar with this brand so I don't know if it's even worth it. I've never seen the guitar in question so I'm even familiar with the quality. Is it worth it?

 

Help me out guys. I feel like all I've told her so far is bad news and I want to tell her something positive.

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MF cheapo budget house brand. No investment value when new. Probably needs a trussrod tweak and some saddle sanding. Unless its under warranty, you have nothing to lose by learning how to do a setup. Theres always Craigslist. Nut may need reshaping/nut lube, too.

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Yeah, that's what I was thinking: she probably got a dud. She went all out with a dread in black with a cutaway and pickup/preamp too - and she didn't add the warranty either. I always thought they were scams anyway. Had she asked me what I thought in advance I'd have told her to walk away.

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Basically -at this point, i wouldnt waste my time with it -guessing its about a hundred dollar guitar ( most of those are, their intentions are to be a first guitar for a kid -and disposable ).After you put good tuners on it , made a new saddle , tweaked the neck- you still have a 100 dollar guitar , that will still self destruct ( essentially in the same realm as a Esteban guitar )

Have her check into silvercreek or Bluridge , or my favorite or best bang for the buck -Seagull or simon and patrick -if shes budget minded -they tend to be stronger built, sound better and are good stepping stones to a better guitar down the road .

 

I saw a Walden guitar that self emploded at my Salvation army store - that looked like it was only a few months old -we have to tell these folks -spend a little more and get something half way decent from the start - Im not trying to be critical -my first guitar ( a 10 dollar special ) had action a bow and arrow would be jealous of - and you had to have fingers like Frankenstien to play !

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Neil, first, can you get ahold of it and take some measurements - both the normal neck angle thing, your perception of the action and check the intonation with a tuner. Post or PM me the results. If it sounds fixable (setup, compensation) I'll do it if it can be shipped to me. If the neck angle is bad, look inside to see if there is a bolt or two (might be covered by the label or a wood plug). I'd try a reset if it is bolt on or MT - even a dovetail would be good practice.

 

Shipping across country would be $30-35 each way - maybe the group would pony up and make this a Caper.

 

I hate to see a guitar that someone can't play - lets see if we can fix it.

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I've not had any experience with Rogue guitars either, but gitnoob is right---those were the ones they gave away with the ten-packs of Elixirs a while back. A friend of mine bought the package deal, sold the guitar for $100, the kept the strings. I think he actually made some money on the deal.

 

From the picture, it looks like this is what we're dealing with:

 

http://guitars.musiciansfriend.com/product/Rogue-Dreadnought-Cutaway-AcousticElectric-Guitar?sku=519292

 

There's no mention of a warranty in the description, so my guess is that there isn't one. It looks like it's all-laminate as well and for $130, it would be tough to justify a fix. It sounds like she's particularly attached to this guitar, which is unfortunate, because I think it's giving up the ghost.

 

OTOH, as other folks have said, it could just need a setup :idk:.

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OTOH, as other folks have said, it could just need a setup
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As I said, if you can get it to me, I'll do what I can. No promises.

 

One of the things I do locally is buy old yard sale guitars, try to make them playable and give them to our local music program. Several kids are playing on guitars that they couldn't otherwise afford. The main thing that I try to do is make them as easy as possible to play - I'm willing to give this a shot too, but if you feel it isn't worth the shipping costs, I understand.

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I feel for the young lady, Kwak. I really hope you can take care of it for her.

 

I have an old friend by the name of Ray Sparks who builds mandolins (mainly) and also guitars and banjos. For kicks, a couple of years ago, he ordered a $69 Rogue from Musician's Friend. Gave it one of his setups, bone saddle, new strings and the thing sounds like a much more expensive guitar. He just did it to see how the Rogue's were built. After he did the minor upgrades, he told me he wouldn't be opposed to buying another one.

 

If you google "Ray Sparks" you can find some of his custom mandolins on the Internet. He works cheap. His "A" style mandolins start at ~$800. His "F" styles start at around $1400. He's definitely not in it for the money. He just loves to build mandolins. I've played 'em.....they're good ones!

 

He's been building mandolins since he was 14. He's real close to 80 now, so I don't know how much longer he intends to do it.

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My memory is slow, but i remember a neighbor of mine that had that same Rogue guitar. Seems his neck was coming unglued and making the action about 3/4 of an inch high. We just "reset" the neck by re-gluing it, with Elmer's wood glue, and pressing it down to close the gap next to the body, with a clamp. It worked, and made the guitar playable, even decent again. The stock tuners was fairly servicable. i think the fretboard needed gluing down, too. Anyway it worked, and we didn't know exactly what we were doing, but didn't have anything to lose. Check the neckgap at the body.

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Well, I have the Rogue Mandolin A style and I guess I got lucky. I bought it on one of MF's stupid deals for $39.99. After spending some time tweaking on it, it plays well. The tuners suck and I would like to replace them, but I haven't found anything that fits. Most likely will have to put individual ones on. I put JJB piezos in it and it's great that way, in fact I am gigging with a band tonight. Of course it doesn't hold a candle to my L & H, but it sounds good.

Bob

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You'll probably also need to lower the saddle and replace it with one that's properly compensated. Personally, I'd check CraigsList for a replacement before I'd try a neck reset but that's me. BTW, it's spelled "cappuccino". ;)

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OK, she brought the guitar to practice last night and I've got it here with me now. My first impressions were both right and wrong: this is a cheap guitar but OTOH it's got a good pickup (some kind of Fishman with I assume an UST in it) and the neck seems to be solid and straight.

 

The problem is that the bridge is lifting. It's got a black finish that was sprayed on after the neck had been glued to the body. Fortunately, I don't have to take THAT apart but in the case of the top - which is still nice and flat with no belly - the footprint for the bridge was not fully blocked off. You more experienced guys would recognize this: the glue on the underside of the bridge only comes in full contact with the finish that is underneath the edges; the "meat" of the bridge isn't as strongly-bonded to the bare spruce top underneath.

 

That's both good and bad because even though the bridge lifted - I can actually fit a .073m guitar pick underneath it - the separation is nice and clean. Apart from the UST this would be an easy repair: just cover up the top with a caul to protect the finish, apply heat to the rosewood bridge and then just pry it off gently when the glue melts. After that it should be a matter of cleaning up the area and regluing it, right?

 

Anyhoo - here's some pictures:

 

2011_03_24_Sick_Guitar001.jpg

 

2011_03_24_Sick_Guitar017.jpg

 

2011_03_24_Sick_Guitar020.jpg

 

2011_03_24_Sick_Guitar019.jpg

 

BTW, get a load of this glue work on the kerfing:

 

2011_03_24_Sick_Guitar003.jpg

 

Not gonna comment other than to say: note the color of the glue. Its aroma is remarkably similar to another glue that comes in a little white bottle with an orange cap. ;)

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