Members Fendouglas Posted March 8, 2011 Members Share Posted March 8, 2011 ah, but the question is/was "What level guitar player do you consider yourself to be?"words don't figure into this equation; do they? As I said in Post #27: "I (although some may disagree) consider myself a singer who barely manages to provide a reasonable backing in order to convey the words. Owing to wrists that have been broken a few times each, coupled with a lack of ability, I have great difficulty with barre chords and, therefore, reckon I'm somewhere in the intermediate bracket." A song without words is just a tune - it might be a very good and emotive tune - but to me a song is a poem set to music which can then give emphasis to the words you're trying to convey. Not everyone's viewpoint I know but I just happen to be into words. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Fendouglas Posted March 8, 2011 Members Share Posted March 8, 2011 You are confusing "guitar player" with "performer".. Having been "performing" for over 40 years, I think I know (and have in my original post) stated the difference - to me they are not mutually exclusive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members fingerpicker Posted March 8, 2011 Members Share Posted March 8, 2011 i will be that guy that goes 10!!! (but if tommy emmanuel or doyle dykes types were around i would be scarrrred. verry scared!) i should just admit i suck actually! (i really should admit to being an idiot who can really play) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members bigald18 Posted March 8, 2011 Members Share Posted March 8, 2011 Does it really matter as long as you are having a good time? BigAl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members LiFeStArTs@40 Posted March 8, 2011 Members Share Posted March 8, 2011 Holy sh_t Batman... I voted myself intermediate and know damn well some of you guys and gals that voted yourselves as beginers could hand me my ass. I guess I better re-think my self rating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Chip Stewart Posted March 8, 2011 Members Share Posted March 8, 2011 I voted intermediate minus. I consider myself intermediate since I can play barre chords consistently. Unlikely I'll ever make it to advanced, but I have the rest of my life to try. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members fatback Posted March 8, 2011 Members Share Posted March 8, 2011 I'm the best person I know who plays exactly like mePhil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Chordchunker Posted March 9, 2011 Members Share Posted March 9, 2011 Having been "performing" for over 40 years, I think I know (and have in my original post) stated the difference - to me they are not mutually exclusive. I`ve been performing all my life too..Yes they are mutually exclusive.. Sorry but I`ve known many "Benn Playing a Million Years" beginners.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members FretFiend. Posted March 9, 2011 Members Share Posted March 9, 2011 I'm surprised that some of the members who participated in this poll have such a low opinion of their abilities, considering what I've heard them do on the VOM and elsewhere. It's becoming obvious to me that this poll merely reflects the members' perception of their levels, and those can be very different from reality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Fendouglas Posted March 9, 2011 Members Share Posted March 9, 2011 I'm surprised that some of the members who participated in this poll have such a low opinion of their abilities, considering what I've heard them do on the VOM and elsewhere.It's becoming obvious to me that this poll merely reflects the members' perception of their levels, and those can be very different from reality. Hence my view: Let the audience decide! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members jamesp Posted March 9, 2011 Members Share Posted March 9, 2011 Hence my view: Let the audience decide!Then Taylor Swift is an advanced guitarist? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Chordchunker Posted March 9, 2011 Members Share Posted March 9, 2011 Then Taylor Swift is an advanced guitarist? Don`t forget Garth Brooks... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Chordchunker Posted March 9, 2011 Members Share Posted March 9, 2011 I voted myself an intermediate+ I know several guitar players who leave every forum member in the dust (no offense) but I doubt they would call themselves advanced.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members 62rat Posted March 9, 2011 Members Share Posted March 9, 2011 I thought I was being realistic counting myself as Beginner + but when I went back and saw who else was there I'm feeling like I was being too easy on myself. I know that I am nowhere near Samilyn's level (she's the only one that I have heard a soundclip from) so I guess I may have been overstating my skill. Hell, I don't care. I have never played for another human anyway so what does it matter to me? I look forward to my guitar time and enjoy it alot. I'm happy that I've devoted the time that I have and I'm happy to have gotten to where I am totally on my own. I have a lot of room for improvement but I am enjoying the trip and I think that, for me, that's all that really matters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members FretFiend. Posted March 9, 2011 Members Share Posted March 9, 2011 I don't care what she says, Samilyn ain't no beginner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Grant Harding Posted March 9, 2011 Members Share Posted March 9, 2011 Having been "performing" for over 40 years, I think I know (and have in my original post) stated the difference - to me they are not mutually exclusive. This thread is about guitar playing, so if you can't play as well as Eric Clapton (as an example) you're possibly not in the intermediate camp (not a dig, BTW - I don't know your playing). You're probably in the advanced category in the singing poll thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Grant Harding Posted March 9, 2011 Members Share Posted March 9, 2011 I voted myself an intermediate+I know several guitar players who leave every forum member in the dust (no offense) but I doubt they would call themselves advanced.. I think once it gets past a certain point it becomes more subjective. It's just a general classification. Any really solid pro that can play complicated stuff live without making mistakes and improvise to complex changes would fall into the advanced to advanced + camp to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Steadfastly Posted March 10, 2011 Members Share Posted March 10, 2011 I said 4 but I'm a 3 on some days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members guildfire Posted March 10, 2011 Members Share Posted March 10, 2011 I still think it would be helpful to define these catagories. Everyone has a different understand of what each catagory means. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members kujozilla Posted March 10, 2011 Members Share Posted March 10, 2011 I put Intermediate+, but I only meant in my specific style of music. I look at the people grouped in with me and now I question my choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members gitnoob Posted March 10, 2011 Members Share Posted March 10, 2011 I still think it would be helpful to define these catagories. Everyone has a different understand of what each catagory means. In the UK, they have tests for 10 levels:http://www.registryofguitartutors.com/downloads/exams/Acoustic_Booklet_2007_low_res.pdf Here are some random songs appropriate for specific levels (8 is the highest):G3 - Backwater Blues G4 - Red Pineapple Blues G4 - Mississippi Moan G4 - Salty Dog Blues G4 - Saint James Infirmary G4 - Careless Love G4 - Midnight Special Eric Clapton Fingerstyle Guitar Collection (inc. tab) by Marcel RobinsonG4 - Wonderful Tonight G4 - Layla G4 - Let It Grow G6 - Nobody Knows You When You're Down and Out G6 - Tears In Heaven Total Giltrap (inc. tab and CD) by Gordon Giltrap G5 - Beachcomber G5 - A Christmas Carol G7 - Who Knows Where Tomorrow Goes G7 - From The Four Winds G7 - Prelude To Pastoral G7 - The Mariner's TaleG7 - Shady TalesG8 - Lucky Easy Celtic Solos For Fingerstyle Guitar (inc. tab and CD) by Leslie CrowleyG5 - Father Kelly's Jig G5 - The Banks Of The Suir G6 - The Bantry Girl's Lament G5 - Boulavugue G6 - Dingle Regatta G7 - The Doon G6 - Lanigan's Ball G6 - Red Is The Rose G6 - Star Of The County Down G6 - The Liverpool Hornpipe G6 - Wellington's Advance G7 - O Danny Boy Classic Rock For Fingerstyle Guitar (inc. tab) by various artistsG4 - Hotel California G5 - Layla G5 - Desperado G5 - Killing Me Softly With His Song G6 - Tears In Heaven Classic Rock For Flatpick Guitar (inc. tab) by various artists G3 - Take It Easy G3 - Brown Eyed Girl G4 - Have You Ever Seen The Rain G4 - Your Song G5 - Freebird John Renbourn Fingerstyle Guitar (inc. tab and 3 CDs) by John RenbournG6 - Bunyan's Hymn G7 - The South Wind G7 - The Blarney Pilgrim G7 - Anji G8 - Transfusion Tommy Emmanuel Fingerstyle Guitar Method (inc. tab and CD) by Tommy EmmanuelG7 - Mr. GuitarG7 - Dixie McGuire Ten Best Tracks for Acoustic Guitar (inc. tab) by Chaz HartG3 - Apple Pie Blues G4 - Mark's FollyG5 - Step By Step Fingerpicking Blues And Rock Guitar (inc. tab and CD) by Felix SchellG3 - Ruby G4 - Star ship G4 - En Voiture G5 - Champion Blues G5 - Rolling Strings G5 - My Guitar G5 - Flower D Blues G5 - One Way Home G6 - Rock On Movie Super Solos For Acoustic Guitar (inc. tab and CD) by Johnny NorrisG7 - The Black and White Rag G7 - Diddy Wah Diddy G7 - Carrickfergus G8 -The Aluminum Blues G8 - The Entertainer Blues Guitar 101 (inc. tab and CD) by Duck BakerG5 - E Blues #1 G6 - E Blues #2 G6 - Sister Kate G7 - Baby Let Me Follow You Down G7 - The Jackson Stomp G7 - Blues in A G7 - Make Me A Pallet On Your Floor G7 - Deep Blue C G8 - Seven Point One G8 - Still Staggerin' G8 - The Dirtman Cometh G8 - The Mighty Midget Fingerpicking Beatles (inc. tab) by Eric SchoenbergG4 - All My Loving (Version 1)G5 - I Feel FineG6 - I Should Have Known Better G7 - Things We said Today G6 - Hey Jude G7 - Your Mother Should Know G7 - Here there and Everywhere G7 - Lady Madonna G8 - Blackbird Dropped D Guitar Solos For The Acoustic Guitar (inc. tab and CD) by Dave MarshallG5 - Wildwood Flower G5 - Hard Times Come Again No More G5 - The AshgroveG6 - Comin' Thro' The Rye G6 - Over The Sea to Skye G6 - The Rose of Tralee G8 - The Entertainer Acoustic Blues Guitar (inc. tab and CD) by Kenny SultanG4 - The Harmony Shuffle G5 - Hey Hey G5 - Filthy Rich G6 - West Coast BluesG6 - Cincinnati Flow Rag Solo Pieces for Acoustic Guitar (including TAB and CD) by various artists, arranged by Mark CurreyG3 - Mad World (Tears For Fears)G4 - Brown Eyed Girl (Van Morrison)G4 - Shape of My Heart (Sting)G5 - Knowing Me, Knowing You (Abba)G5 - Light My Fire (The Doors)G5 - Speed of Sound (Coldplay)G6 - Golden Brown (The Stranglers)G6 - Nothing Else Matters (Metallica)G6 - Lovin' You (Minnie Ripperton) Solo Pieces for Acoustic Guitar Vol Two (including TAB and CD) by various artists, arranged by Mark CurreyG4 - Hallelujah (Leonard Cohen)G4 - If You Could Read My Mind (Gordon Lightfoot)G5 - Angie (The Rolling Stones)G6 - Bridge Over Troubled Water (Paul Simon)G6 - Let It Grow (Eric Clapton)G6 - Unintended (Muse)G7 - Love of My Life (Queen) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members andy thompson Posted March 10, 2011 Members Share Posted March 10, 2011 Truly the roadie of the group, in my head, ie theory not dreaming Id say three, where it counts ..0...only trouble is you all are centigrade Im Kelvin. Truly the most hamfisted tway ever to scratch a guitar. Good consistent tone, a smidge of rhythmn, too much arrogance and not enough application. Anyone know that Patti Smith song.."Free Money" thats my anthem,..."Trade in your hours for a handfull of dimes" Its all here now, decent solid wood guitar, apoyo, stand music, just no time. Too easy to blame just the bankers, the man...? Jesus hes a f@@:?~ing giant. Cant even spell twat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members garthman Posted March 10, 2011 Members Share Posted March 10, 2011 . . . Cant even spell twat. You mean twot? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Heartstring Posted March 10, 2011 Members Share Posted March 10, 2011 Great thread! I just covered the bottom end to finish out the bell curve! (actually, I was just trying to decipher an old Loverboy rawker, and I felt like it was the first time I had ever touched a guitfiddle) TAH, great quote from you about a "lifetime!" I will always remember when I was a little kid, my grandpa told me, "Someday, you'll be a fine string player," as I banged on his old banjo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members FretFiend. Posted March 14, 2011 Members Share Posted March 14, 2011 This is how playing level is assessed for Steve Kaufman's guitar camp. Perhaps after reading this, many here would wish to amend their own assessment. Beginning Class Level One: True beginners need to know nothing. The student level ranges from never had touched an instrument before (be sure to bring one) to being able to strum a few chords but may not really know what to do with them. No music theory or music reading skills required whatsoever! You will also stay with the same teacher the entire Kamp. No class rotations. You will have a blast and get yourself ready to be at least in the beginners class for the following year. Beginners: All Instruments: Should know basic open chords, 3-8 chords at least: G. C. D. A, E and maybe F. Maybe also their minor counterparts. Should be able to strum and change chords easily and steadily. Should know 2 to 12 simple songs, playing them by using single notes. Quarter notes good for the melodies. A knowledge of reading tablature is a huge plus, but not necessary. Should be able to tune their instrument by ear or with a tuner, put on the picks if used, know which string is which (first, second, etc) and the names of the strings. Fingerpickers and Banjo Players: Should know a couple of basic rolls, (Forward, backward, alternating thumb). Banjo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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