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  • #76
    Luken.....you are actually starting to grow on me man...having the poor downtrodden OP's back and all.

    Talking about shoes fitting and all......What in Pete's name are you wearing on your feet in that avatar? My eyes, not being what they used to be, cannot make it out.

    Please tell me they are socks and not white 80's rock 'n roll boots! Please tell me you are not going for the Yngwie Malmsteem look?

    If so...... I am going to have to come drag you out of the winter encampment and take you shopping, give you a little LA help in the style department. I'll even buy you a beer or two to get you open to suggestions.....clothing suggestions buddy!!


    Considering your background I'm thinking something hipster with a law enforcement edginess. Take a look at this darling collection. It has got some camo faux paramilitary in there which is always good. The Scotland Yard sweater is flat gorgeous in this setting, accented with a touch of the Middle Eastern Homicide bomber look, provided by the scarf.....very now........and take a look at those boots!!!! OMG they are to die for, I can't take it! Think of how stunning this little ensemble will co-exist with the Gibson SG!! I love this look...it is delightfully scrumptious!!!





    Hey........what's scary is I do that whole designer thing quite well don't I? Didn't take much either....just came right on out of me!

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    • #77
      Wait...Blue2Blue, you're A Mod?!?!...I thought you were a Rocker.
      In the Kingdom of the Blind, the One-eyed Man is King.

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      • #78
        ...
        The only sad thing about this ordeal is that listeners here put up this mental wall before listening removing the potential to be impacted ...
        Hmmm, not really. Well, sort of, but no more than anyone else out there in the big wide world.

        Be honest with yourself - do you a) automatically listen to everything you have a chance to listen to or b) are you more likely to listen to something when the person asking you to do so is someone you know and/or someone you like?

        I'm not going to listen to every song in the world - I'd fail even if I tried, and to be honest I don't try. I listen when I have some reason to listen. Sometimes that's because the person sounds interesting, sometimes because I feel I ought to, sometimes just because I have nothing else to do and think to myself "why not?".

        People can choose not to listen to your music you know. It may be hard to take (I'm a musician too and of course I think everyone should listen to my stuff) but it's pretty much the way the world works and, to be honest, it's a perfectly reasonable position to take.
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        • #79

          Art is, of course, a two sided proposition. I may invest some of my works with great emotion on my side -- but unless I can communicate that emotion to my audience, the artistic transaction will be frustrated, trapped by a kind of emotional solipsism.


          Therein lies the rub. This artist, Siva, may have invested a great deal of emotion into the writing, the performance, everything, but if the audience isn't receiving that communication...and if the communication has been further affected by the initial presentation - spam - this may further impact the audience from receiving the attempted communication. Perhaps this may even be the "mental wall" that siva references. this sort of, "How dare he spam? I'll go listen to his music now, but it's definitely getting a more critical listen!" from some.

          Or the audience may in fact genuinely feel the way they've expressed themselves because they're really not receiving the intended communication of emotion.

          Maybe you'll find an audience for your music as it exists now -- or maybe you'll evolve/grow toward a place where the emotionalism you're putting will be communicated to a broader group of people. That's kind of up to you...


          And although many artists may want to communicate emotions to a broader audience, it may not always be in the artist's best interest to do so, preferring to find more of a niche audience who may appreciate a less "obvious" manner to showing those emotions.
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          • #80
            Holy ****************! Someone who has an IQ in the double digits finally said something. I agree with you wholeheartedly.

            The only sad thing about this ordeal is that listeners here put up this mental wall before listening removing the potential to be impacted.

            Regarding the reviews; I listened to some tunes by a few different artists here, and considering how defensive the majority of you are already, the act of me writing reviews for the most part would not end well. But I'd be more than happy to anyway.

            I sometimes flatter myself into thinking I might actually cross the line into triple digits on my sharper days.

            Good on you for listening to other folks' tunes!

            When one considers that they may well be just as invested in their tunes as one is in one's own, it may give one a moment to pause and think about the broader implications...


            You may have read reference above to my participation in the songwriting forum here at HC.

            In that work-oriented forum (there's a strict works-in-progress-only rule with a few minor exceptions noted in the rules sticky thread there), I listen to a lot of songs of virtually every level of expertise and craft. Of course, the purpose there is not to judge or rank, but rather to offer constructive criticism/feedback... the goals are process oriented, in a sense: we try to help each other grow and improve our craft.

            But that is a forum culture that the regulars have carefully nurtured.

            Listening -- really listening -- to others' works in such a capacity is hard work and often requires some real stretching. (Ask a mutant roots pop guy like me to listen to some Scandinavian death metal and you'll see just how much a strain that effort can be. )


            But when one is marketing oneself, one can pretty much kiss all that supportive, collegial, friendly diplomacy stuff goodbye. That's just the way it is. You're in the marketplace, hawking your wares. Subject to the whims and prejudices of the crowd. Trying to fit in with the other merchants who are, after all, competing with you for those dwindling music dollars.

            For that duty, one needs not just self-confidence and a tough hide -- he also is going to, sooner or later, need some real perspective.

            Most of us pay lip service to the subjectivity of music, yet, I suspect, most of us still cling to a somewhat self-centric view of those aesthetic priorities.

            But in the real world of real people, the array of aesthetic sensibilities is bewilderingly broad. What strikes one listener as sublime may strike another as unmitigated crap. It's the nature of art -- and the nature of the musical marketplace.
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            • #81
              Wait...Blue2Blue, you're A Mod?!?!...I thought you were a Rocker.
              Well... the last two wheeled motor vehicle I rode was a Vespa. Does that count? I hope not.*

              No, while I enjoyed the first wave of UK ska revival bands in the late 70s a lot, I was much more invested in the first wave punk scene and, in the early 80s, the post-punk scene. So, I think that makes me a rocker. But that was probably the last time I really felt connected with rock. But, you know, at this point I've heard over a half century of rock and/or roll... let's just say that I now appreciate rock as I do blues, gospel, bluegrass, etc. As a classic form.


              *It was a lark; I'd sworn off motorcycles after a careless driver put me in the hospital for two months but one of my young musician clients offered to let me ride his Vespa 200cc, freeway legal in Cali, and I left my cane (which I had to use for five years after my wreck) with him and took a fun putt around his neigborhood. Sadly, maybe 6 months later, only blocks away, he was extremely seriously injured by another careless driver and he ended up in the hospital for almost a year with a devastating head injury. So I think that will be my last motorcycle/scooter ride for the foreseeable future.
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              • #82
                In defense of this forum, could anyone recall the thread from a year or so ago with that first post from a young Russian guitar player? He was using a Pod of some sort and doing the progressive rock/metal kind of thing. I remember it because it was what convinced me to buy a Pod.

                The reaction here was quite different because his samples were good. I just can't recall any search terms to help find the thread.
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                • #83
                  Luken.....you are actually starting to grow on me man...having the poor downtrodden OP's back and all.

                  Talking about shoes fitting and all......What in Pete's name are you wearing on your feet in that avatar? My eyes, not being what they used to be, cannot make it out.

                  Please tell me they are socks and not white 80's rock 'n roll boots! Please tell me you are not going for the Yngwie Malmsteem look?

                  If so...... I am going to have to come drag you out of the winter encampment and take you shopping, give you a little LA help in the style department. I'll even buy you a beer or two to get you open to suggestions.....clothing suggestions buddy!!


                  Considering your background I'm thinking something hipster with a law enforcement edginess. Take a look at this darling collection. It has got some camo faux paramilitary in there which is always good. The Scotland Yard sweater is flat gorgeous in this setting, accented with a touch of the Middle Eastern Homicide bomber look, provided by the scarf.....very now........and take a look at those boots!!!! OMG they are to die for, I can't take it! Think of how stunning this little ensemble will co-exist with the Gibson SG!! I love this look...it is delightfully scrumptious!!!





                  Hey........what's scary is I do that whole designer thing quite well don't I? Didn't take much either....just came right on out of me!

                  Aah Jeez


                  Nope, they are white socks, The picture was taking in 1996, and sorry, that's not me..it's my brother Lothar at his girlfriends apartment in Chelsea New York.

                  'I know it's hard to see, but on the SG's Headstock (guitar is mine) is perched a Lutina (not Latina) piebald Cockatiel (my bro's girlfriends bird.)
                  Whenever someone picks up a guitar the bird would fly over and perch on the Headstock...looks like the original Woodstock 3 days of love and music...you know the rest,

                  As for my personal wardrobe, I am, and always will be be a 'Dandy'Armani suits, lot's of leather, love linen and cotton suits, white silk scarves, Fedoras,etc.

                  One time in the Eighties, 'on the job' I was tricked out in my 'Sonny Crockett'
                  regalia.. White linen suit, pink tee shirt and opened toed sandals.
                  We went into the projects and I kicked a 'hypo' needle on the steps and nicked the sole of my foot.
                  AIDS test followed, scared ****************less, thank God they came back negative

                  I never sacrificed SAFETY for FASHION after that.
                  I do have lots of Military style clothing too, still wear my Docs too

                  I am just short of six feet tall, trim,165lbs. work out 3x aweek, run every morning,so I've always looked good in my clothes.

                  BTW that was a good fashion synopsis...loved it

                  Just for the the record, My brother WAS "put on report" for the white sock 'fashion faux pas.'

                  Thanks for the LA fashion offer, but I'm an East Coast 'O.G' peppered with some Brit-Rock flair.
                  In the Kingdom of the Blind, the One-eyed Man is King.

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                  • #84
                    Therein lies the rub. This artist, Siva, may have invested a great deal of emotion into the writing, the performance, everything, but if the audience isn't receiving that communication...and if the communication has been further affected by the initial presentation - spam - this may further impact the audience from receiving the attempted communication. Perhaps this may even be the "mental wall" that siva references. this sort of, "How dare he spam? I'll go listen to his music now, but it's definitely getting a more critical listen!" from some.

                    Or the audience may in fact genuinely feel the way they've expressed themselves because they're really not receiving the intended communication of emotion.

                    Right. That analysis is very much one I've been trying to illuminate in part of my posts above. Whether or not the OP's music is necessarily eveyrone here's cup of tea, or not, I suspect he just got off on the wrong foot (as they say in line dancing) and would likely have elicited a much different crowd reaction with a different approach. Live and learn.

                    But I agree with others, he shows some good fortitude at sticking in the thread and taking some lumps without too much more than a few flashes of pique and frustration; although he might be -- impolitically -- a little long on self-justification. But, like I said, live and learn. I strongly suspect he'll hone his craft in the music marketing arena as he's honed his fretboard skills. It just takes a while to feel out the ground in this stuff, I think...

                    And although many artists may want to communicate emotions to a broader audience, it may not always be in the artist's best interest to do so, preferring to find more of a niche audience who may appreciate a less "obvious" manner to showing those emotions.
                    I think I'm pretty much down to a niche of one. And my cat doesn't have a credit card.
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                    • #85


                      Sorry to hear about the wreck,
                      I remember they asked Ringo if he was a Mod or a Rocker and he said...'I'm a Mocker'
                      In the Kingdom of the Blind, the One-eyed Man is King.

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                      • #86
                        Sorry to hear about the wreck,
                        I remember they asked Ringo if he was a Mod or a Rocker and he said...'I'm a Mocker'

                        Ancient history on the wreck. It gives me something to talk about. (Remind me, sometime, to tell you about how I walked on a broken leg for five years [hence the cane]. Always get a second opinion. Really.) Sadly, my young pal's injuries were a lot harder to laugh off. But he was doing pretty well last time I heard from him.


                        I like Ringo. I think he had precisely the right attitude about a lot of that stuff.
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                        • #87
                          [QUOTE=blue2blue;38763004]Right. That analysis is very much one I've been trying to illuminate in part of my posts above. Whether or not the OP's music is necessarily eveyrone here's cup of tea, or not, I suspect he just got off on the wrong foot (as they say in line dancing) and would likely have elicited a much different crowd reaction with a different approach. Live and learn.


                          Yup!

                          But, uh....you line dance?

                          [QUOTE]But I agree with others, he shows some good fortitude at sticking in the thread and taking some lumps without too much more than a few flashes of pique and frustration;


                          Yes, I was a little surprised there...but surprised that he actually returned to comment at all. Usually, the spams are a hit and run affair. Maybe he'll stick around and participate. I've found that this group is a very forgiving bunch again and again, forgiving of things far greater than an innocuous spam, as we've had some serious insulting going on here in the past.


                          I think I'm pretty much down to a niche of one. And my cat doesn't have a credit card.




                          Every week, I have a couple of friends come over, and we hang out and record ambient improvisational music, just for fun and no other reason. It's a lot of fun, even more so because I'm simply capturing it in the room. But talk about a niche of one!!! I post this stuff here, and people are gonna say, "Okay...no hooks, meanders, can't dance to it, one of the amps is buzzing, and...uh, what's the point to this?"

                          Furthermore, my three-legged cat doesn't really care for it, scampering away when we begin to play!!! Your audience might be larger than ours!

                          Ken Lee on 500px / Ken's Photo Store / Ken Lee Photography Facebook Website / Blueberry Buddha Studios / Ajanta Palace Houseboat - Kashmir / Hotel Green View - Kashmir / Eleven Shadows website / Ken Lee Photography Blog / Akai 12-track tape transfers / MY NEW ALBUM! The Mercury Seven

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                          • #88
                            . Always get a second opinion. Really.) Sadly, my young pal's injuries were a lot harder to laugh off. But he was doing pretty well last time I heard from him.


                            I like Ringo. I think he had precisely the right attitude about a lot of that stuff.


                            Yeah, second opinions are a good thing...Went to another Dentist for a second opinion (at the last minute on a whim), and saved 5,000'
                            Young Turk I was going to, took over an trusted professsional's office and was bent on becoming a Millionaire his first year in practice, starting with my 5k

                            I went to another older guy and he was livid...he actually called the young Turk up and cursed him out, right in front of me. I was agape, cuz they usually cover for each other.
                            About Richard Starky...He looks great, he aged well and, I still find him a fascinating, savvy, businessman and Entertainer who stayed true to his Working Class Liverpudlian Roots.
                            In the Kingdom of the Blind, the One-eyed Man is King.

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                            • #89
                              Yeah... you gotta get 'em after they've paid off all their med/dentist/veterinary school loans... and since those are getting up to the kind of amounts folks typically take out 30 year mortgages on, that can be a while.

                              A bunch of California folks who'd been clinging to insurance by the skin of their teeth, and so hooked up with Blue Cross/Blue Shield (now Anthem Blue Cross) just got big insurance premium hikes up to 39%. I had insurance through them, paying enough in to buy a little house -- and never once got up to the co-pay threshold. Which was $4000 (before I would see a dime of partial compensation) when I parted ways with them. (In fact, the tear point for me was when my insurance -- which I payed out of pocket -- jumped about 75% over the course of a year and a half.)
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                              • #90
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