Members tedmich Posted February 8, 2012 Members Share Posted February 8, 2012 Yes, it was. PT was indeed cautioned ... but not charged. There is a considerable difference ... yes he is rather wealthy still.. IMO Pete was the low point of the Who; everyone else carried his ass. All his parts would have worked better with a really loud acoustic, he has no real aptitude at electric guitar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members noisebloom Posted February 8, 2012 Members Share Posted February 8, 2012 He has some pretty sick leads when he wants to. I particularly like the opening to Emminence Front. While I love playing the simple rhythm part of "Eminence Front," when he breaks into the lead line before the first verse, I can't touch it. I can get reasonably close, but it's very tricky. I just don't have his feel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members PrawnHeed Posted February 8, 2012 Members Share Posted February 8, 2012 yes he is rather wealthy still.. IMO Pete was the low point of the Who; everyone else carried his ass. All his parts would have worked better with a really loud acoustic, he has no real aptitude at electric guitar. He does have an aptitude for bringing out the trolls though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Angry Tele Posted February 8, 2012 Members Share Posted February 8, 2012 funky mofo [video=youtube;GhhOv6G8-Kk] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members raymeedc Posted February 8, 2012 Members Share Posted February 8, 2012 IMO Pete was the low point of the Who; everyone else carried his ass. All his parts would have worked better with a really loud acoustic, he has no real aptitude at electric guitar. ..... & Hendrix was the low point of The Experience, Jeff Beck the low point in the Yardbirds/Jeff Beck group..... this guy may be on to something! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members dparr Posted February 8, 2012 Members Share Posted February 8, 2012 ..... & Hendrix was the low point of The Experience, Jeff Beck the low point in the Jeff Beck group..... this guy may be on to something! Low is the new high. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members scuzzo Posted February 8, 2012 Members Share Posted February 8, 2012 yes he is rather wealthy still.. IMO Pete was the low point of the Who; everyone else carried his ass. All his parts would have worked better with a really loud acoustic, he has no real aptitude at electric guitar. wow, you know nothing about great song writing then.. lest start with whos next.. there are 2 epic songs on that lp.. and the rest are amazingly strong or quad, or who are you, or even his solo effort all the best cowboys, or empty glass..pete was never considered a lead guitarist.. his solos last at most a 10 to 20 seconds. but his rhythm playing is some of the best i the business. if you have ever listened to the broken chords in quad.. those quick changes.. the off canter of the beat... carry pete? your allowed an opinion but... you first need to have some point of perspective.. his lead playing was never fantastic.. he played who leads,,, but his is one of the all time great song writers and is ability to play rhythm with in the song and not just hold down a freaking four count... but its falling on def ears.. what ever... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members honeyiscool Posted February 8, 2012 Author Members Share Posted February 8, 2012 His playing is the anchor, everyone else is freewheeling precisely because Pete is holding down the fort. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members dparr Posted February 8, 2012 Members Share Posted February 8, 2012 His playing is the anchor, everyone else is freewheeling precisely because Pete is holding down the fort. Yes, Keith Moon was the lead player in the Who. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members tedmich Posted February 8, 2012 Members Share Posted February 8, 2012 ..... & Hendrix was the low point of The Experience, Jeff Beck the low point in the Yardbirds/Jeff Beck group..... this guy may be on to something! My stated opinion extended only to Mr. Townsend, post some great Who lead work I am unaware of and I will reconsider. Pete is not bereft of talent, he simply possessed much less of it than Moon and Entwistle, in my opinion. In addition there is reason to believe he has short eyes, which is distasteful to me. If you're into windmill strumming and/or child sex, that's fine; to each their own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members raymeedc Posted February 8, 2012 Members Share Posted February 8, 2012 I must disagree with some of the comments on Pete's leads. They always seems to be strongly rhythm based, regardless of melodic content, which I've always dug. His tight, compact, forceful lines don't usually exceed the requirements of the song, very tasteful, except on some longwinded live work. I especially love Pete's early pre-Tommy work, unique gems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members honeyiscool Posted February 8, 2012 Author Members Share Posted February 8, 2012 My stated opinion extended only to Mr. Townsend, post some great Who lead work I am unaware of and I will reconsider. Pete is not bereft of talent, he simply possessed much less of it than Moon and Entwistle, in my opinion. In addition there is reason to believe he has short eyes, which is distasteful to me.If you're into windmill strumming and/or child sex, that's fine; to each their own.Post some clips of Eric Clapton using his pinky. Everyone has a style. Most of what I posted in this thread is very refined and if you look at even his windmills, there's a science to the whole thing, as in he only does them when it is possible in the context of the song, which isn't all that often. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members scuzzo Posted February 8, 2012 Members Share Posted February 8, 2012 the way its told most often isyou have moon just thundering and crashing about like a mad man... in beat or on the side of the beat..pete is ripping in to HUGE chords and stabbing rhythm and syncopations. and windmills..daultry is swinging the mic about and doing the lead singer thing.. and the ox... is the anchor.. holding every one at bay... if john was not in the mix.. weaving the desperate parts together.. the whole thing would tumble like a house of cards... there is ox... sanding stock still.. fumble and thumbly amazing intricate bass lines.. getting the whole thing to work.. take away.. one element and its not the who..it may be great.. but its not the who.. but with all that said i still think wire is a very valid who LP.. and has some really good stuff.. much better the the pop rock of its contemps.. no moon or ox though.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Angry Tele Posted February 8, 2012 Members Share Posted February 8, 2012 I remember hearing this argument about pete townshend as not being good because he doesnt play wanking leads, But that was when I was like 12. its beyond silly to argue such nonsense really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members knotty Posted February 8, 2012 Members Share Posted February 8, 2012 ^^^No ... just demonstrably not having given grounds for charges to be brought. Despite a technical breach of the law, THERE WAS NO CASE TO ANSWER. We ain't talking Gary Glitter here, remember? Can we EVER have a thread on here about PT's music without having to wade through all this urban-myth bull{censored}? For what I hope is the last time: PT was never charged, never tried and never convicted. you can shout NO all you like. I didnt raise the subject. All i pointed out was that if he received a police caution he must admit an offence. They are not allowed to deal with it as a caution otherwise. I know sweet FA about the case apart from that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Willyguitar Posted February 8, 2012 Members Share Posted February 8, 2012 I love Pete Townsend's playing and I love (most) of the Who's albums. You are absolutely spot on about the intelligence inherent in his playing and composition. I really like the fact that he wasn't a typical widdly solo player... however, he really could solo well in his own way - see 'My Generation' on Live at Leeds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members One-armed Alec Posted February 8, 2012 Members Share Posted February 8, 2012 And don't forget: Da-da-DANG! Love Pete and The Who, brilliant in their own right and hugely influential to so much that followed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members honeyiscool Posted February 8, 2012 Author Members Share Posted February 8, 2012 I love Pete Townsend's playing and I love (most) of the Who's albums. You are absolutely spot on about the intelligence inherent in his playing and composition. I really like the fact that he wasn't a typical widdly solo player... however, he really could solo well in his own way - see 'My Generation' on Live at Leeds. I do like his soloing, actually. I find it very interesting and refreshing. He comes up with really great chord combinations and neato riffs when he's soloing. I guess it's just weird to hear a classic rock guitarist who can't really nail the traditional blues solo, but I don't find it to be a limitation at all. I think in his case, it's a good thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Doctor49 Posted February 8, 2012 Members Share Posted February 8, 2012 nice analysisI will go back to that for a long look later.I like these kind of exercises because they debunk the commonly held belief that rock is musically uncomplicated. And speaking of beliefs, you Monday morning lawyers might like consider how you would feel if uninformed judgemental gossip coloured any mention of your talents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members mnewb1 Posted February 8, 2012 Members Share Posted February 8, 2012 You know, I read the first page and then skipped what I'm sure is a bunch of back and forth nonsense dribble ( sorry if I missed something important). I will agree with CSM here that is an excellent insightful analysis, bravo! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members kayd_mon Posted February 9, 2012 Members Share Posted February 9, 2012 The Who are near the top of my list as far as bands go. My dad used to listen to them all the time when I was growing up, and I listened to them a ton in high school (still do). Pete's guitar playing is quite good, and learning his stuff is helpful for any guitarist. They put out a ton of great albums, studio and live. Here are some favorites that I don't think are posted yet... [video=youtube;awqEiIW7eyo] [video=youtube;NgYudFmmOl4] [video=youtube;bhtmzy5L4hw] [video=youtube;y8b7f0ivzUo] ^^^I never liked the Tommy album ... it sounded timid and tentative, like they were still working out the arrangements as they recorded it (which was, actually, the case). They played the songs about ten trillion times harder and more confidently after they'd been worked-in on the road -- check the Leeds, Woodstock or Isle Of Wight performances for verification of this claim ... I love the Live at Leeds version of Tommy. I was stoked when they released the deluxe version of the album with all of Tommy intact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members orourke Posted February 9, 2012 Members Share Posted February 9, 2012 For years I played original music and would listen to The Who just like any listener. But a few years ago I joined a cover band and learned Won't Get Fooled Again and Baba O'Reily. It was a revelation learning Townsend parts. You really have to play that stuff violently, there's no other way to do it. And Won't Get Fooled is like a cross between Chuck Berry and Beethoven. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Flatspotter Posted February 9, 2012 Members Share Posted February 9, 2012 I think that Quadrophenia is the greatest Who album also. It's my favorite Who album, too. I wish they'd put out a SACD of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Dogsinotpalc Posted February 9, 2012 Members Share Posted February 9, 2012 I hear b-bender on there much clearer than the fully mixed recording. I knew he had a guitar or two equipped with them and that he messed with them, but had never heard it so clearly even though it's always been there. EF has been the ultimate in showing Pete's skill as a lead player and always makes me wonder why he didn't do more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members tim gueguen Posted February 9, 2012 Members Share Posted February 9, 2012 Pete is not bereft of talent, he simply possessed much less of it than Moon and Entwistle, in my opinion. In addition there is reason to believe he has short eyes, which is distasteful to me.If you're into windmill strumming and/or child sex, that's fine; to each their own. So, what's your take on Jimmy Page? Unlike Townshend, who has never been convicted, or even accused, of having sex with an underage person Page is known to have had an affair with a 14 year old girl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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