Members anothertxn Posted October 6, 2008 Members Share Posted October 6, 2008 Topical Webcomic Man! (in before KK) From Multiplex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators isaac42 Posted October 6, 2008 Moderators Share Posted October 6, 2008 He wasn't in the Vatican for very long though, just long enough to film him saying, "I'm in the Vatican!" before getting shut down and tossed out. Yeah, that was my understanding. You'd think - I would, anyway - that if they had a rational basis for their beliefs, they'd have straightened him right out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Thumper Posted October 6, 2008 Members Share Posted October 6, 2008 Doesn't sound like my cuppa tea...I guess I'll save time and money and not see it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members bnyswonger Posted October 7, 2008 Members Share Posted October 7, 2008 I don't go to movies. I might see it when it's cheap or free! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Roger in the sky Posted October 7, 2008 Members Share Posted October 7, 2008 You both can leave your Man Cards on the table on your way out. The title is "The Notebook" and you entered the theater? Did any real men see you go in and not try to stop you, or at least catch your balls before they hit the hall carpet and bounced into an overstuffed trashcan? Richard Gere is starring, and you didn't run away???? Guys, please, I'm begging you....use your manly intuition....:poke: yeah a real man would never sit through a lame movie with his girl and then go home and have sex with her..... oh right, nevermind Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members t3ch Posted October 7, 2008 Members Share Posted October 7, 2008 yeah a real man would never sit through a lame movie with his girl and then go home and have sex with her..... oh right, nevermind You can always GET sex... You never UNDO seeing a chick flick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Roger in the sky Posted October 7, 2008 Members Share Posted October 7, 2008 You can always GET sex... tell that to jm5! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Emprov Posted October 7, 2008 Members Share Posted October 7, 2008 Yeah, that was my understanding. You'd think - I would, anyway - that if they had a rational basis for their beliefs, they'd have straightened him right out. I think that, at some point, just about every belief about our existence becomes irrational and people only get "straightened out" if they're willing to be wrong. Doesn't matter whether you're talking politics, religion, football or cars, people will believe what they want to believe regardless of what information is presented. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Muddslide Posted October 7, 2008 Members Share Posted October 7, 2008 Of course followers of Marx haven't put masses of people to death or in forced labor camps, either. Great example using Marx to tell religion to {censored} off. Followers of Marx, as was pointed out.Some followers of Jesus and other religious figures have committed a lot of atrocities as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Emprov Posted October 7, 2008 Members Share Posted October 7, 2008 Followers of Marx, as was pointed out.Some followers of Jesus and other religious figures have committed a lot of atrocities as well. Although I think that the followers of Marx have been a bit more aggressive when it comes to ridding the earth of non-conformists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Muddslide Posted October 7, 2008 Members Share Posted October 7, 2008 Although I think that the followers of Marx have been a bit more aggressive when it comes to ridding the earth of non-conformists. Really? Then you should most definitely read up on some history. Numerous "heresies" stamped out by the church throughout the Dark Ages, sometimes resulting in entire towns and villages being wiped out. Witch hunts (not as big a deal in the States, but widespread in Europe for centuries,) the Spanish Inquisition, acts of mass-murder and terrorism between the Catholics and Protestants which went on for 500 years, the KKK, clinic bombers, Guyana Tragedy, Hammas, Hezbollah, Al Quaeda, Taliban. Even in the early history of this country it was legal to kill Quakers on sight. Religious intolerance, whatever the religion may be, can twist people to astonishing ends. I would argue further that in the case of, say, Stalin or Mao, it was not their lack of religion that caused them to commit such atrocities, but the fact that they simply replaced typical deity-worshipping religion with the religion of the State. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Emprov Posted October 7, 2008 Members Share Posted October 7, 2008 Really?Then you should most definitely read up on some history.Stalin's regime alone did away with somewhere between 3 and 60 million. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators ThudMaker Posted October 7, 2008 Moderators Share Posted October 7, 2008 Followers of Marx, as was pointed out.Some followers of Jesus and other religious figures have committed a lot of atrocities as well.I don't believe that was in question, since I was the one who used the term "followers of Marx" initially. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators ThudMaker Posted October 7, 2008 Moderators Share Posted October 7, 2008 I would argue further that in the case of, say, Stalin or Mao, it was not their lack of religion that caused them to commit such atrocities, but the fact that they simply replaced typical deity-worshipping religion with the religion of the State.In the case of Stalin, it should be clear that he worshiped himself, not a "religion of the state." The state was simply a means to an end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members lonerstoenr Posted October 7, 2008 Members Share Posted October 7, 2008 So we're clear on this one; Conning people into putting blind faith in any entity is a bad thing as far as I'm concerned. Especially when demanding an effective destruction of freewill. This is not to say Marx, Jesus or Budda didn't have anything relevant to say though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members georgestrings Posted October 7, 2008 Members Share Posted October 7, 2008 Because no one who doesn't believe as I believe could possibly be other than a miserable human being. I certainly understand where that's coming from... - georgestrings Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members georgestrings Posted October 7, 2008 Members Share Posted October 7, 2008 I don't go to movies. I might see it when it's cheap or free! Same here, Bob... - georgestrings Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators ThudMaker Posted October 7, 2008 Moderators Share Posted October 7, 2008 So we're clear on this one;Conning people into putting blind faith in any entity is a bad thing as far as I'm concerned. Especially when demanding an effective destruction of freewill.This is not to say Marx, Jesus or Budda didn't have anything relevant to say though.I don't think issue is with Marx, Jesus, Budda or any philosopher/teacher of that magnitude. The issue is really what have "followers" done with the teachings/philosophies. Have they used them for good or have they used them for evil? Have they used them to better serve others or have they used them to serve themselves? What examples would you show as "demanding an effective destruction of free will?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members lonerstoenr Posted October 7, 2008 Members Share Posted October 7, 2008 I don't think issue is with Marx, Jesus, Budda or any philosopher/teacher of that magnitude. The issue is really what have "followers" done with the teachings/philosophies. Have they used them for good or have they used them for evil? Have they used them to better serve others or have they used them to serve themselves? Obviously in the cases I've cited I'd say both good and bad things (if we're going to be that general) have been committed by their 'followers'. What examples would you show as "demanding an effective destruction of free will?" I'd say acceptance of stalinism and submission to communist laws during that time, as well as Maoist China was certainly encouraging thoughtless citizens. I'd also claim that almost all religious fundamentalist organisations encourage the same thing. There's a great example, the exact name escapes me (great example!), it's a christian fundamentalist group that preaches all natural disasters kill only "dykes and fags", and this is God's will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Emprov Posted October 7, 2008 Members Share Posted October 7, 2008 I'd say acceptance of stalinism and submission to communist laws during that time, as well as Maoist China was certainly encouraging thoughtless citizens. I'd also claim that almost all religious fundamentalist organisations encourage the same thing. There's a great example, the exact name escapes me (great example!), it's a christian fundamentalist group that preaches all natural disasters kill only "dykes and fags", and this is God's will. There are also perversions of the teachings. Just because a few choose to take ones teachings and run in the wrong direction doesn't necessarily make the teacher wrong -- a baby and bathwater thing. And I'd take issue with your "almost all religious fundamentalist organizations" comment, it's a pretty narrow minded and short sighted view of things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators ThudMaker Posted October 7, 2008 Moderators Share Posted October 7, 2008 Obviously in the cases I've cited I'd say both good and bad things (if we're going to be that general) have been committed by their 'followers'.I'd say acceptance of stalinism and submission to communist laws during that time, as well as Maoist China was certainly encouraging thoughtless citizens. I'd also claim that almost all religious fundamentalist organisations encourage the same thing. There's a great example, the exact name escapes me (great example!), it's a christian fundamentalist group that preaches all natural disasters kill only "dykes and fags", and this is God's will.Just wanted clarification. There are many groups that are also misrepresented by those who disagree with them, too. For the most part, I would agree with your sentiment here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMS Author Craig Vecchione Posted October 7, 2008 CMS Author Share Posted October 7, 2008 yeah a real man would never sit through a lame movie with his girl and then go home and have sex with her..... oh right, nevermind I'm glad you're at least starting to come around. :lol: Some litmus tests for relationship equality: See if the same girl is willing to go to the gun club and shoot x-times a year ("x" = number of chickflik's you see in the same time period), or to a cigar club and smoke stogies for 90 minutes. You'll trail behind her through the mall while she shops, but will she follow you around Home Depot or Guitar Center without the "can we go now?" stare? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members t3ch Posted October 7, 2008 Members Share Posted October 7, 2008 I'm glad you're at least starting to come around. :lol: Some litmus tests for relationship equality: See if the same girl is willing to go to the gun club and shoot x-times a year ("x" = number of chickflik's you see in the same time period), or to a cigar club and smoke stogies for 90 minutes. You'll trail behind her through the mall while she shops, but will she follow you around Home Depot or Guitar Center without the "can we go now?" stare? Why not just do your own things on occassion? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Kindness Posted October 7, 2008 Moderators Share Posted October 7, 2008 Why not just do your own things on occassion? Seriously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members vanlatte Posted October 7, 2008 Members Share Posted October 7, 2008 Religious intolerance, whatever the religion may be, can twist people to astonishing ends.. Yep. I can think of no other motive that drives people to some of the atrocities that have been committed in the name of religion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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