lonerstoenr

So placebo, what do you do?

Thats cool dude, what travel have you done thru volunteering? Just a few trips here n there, nothing major. Next year is 6 months in Mexico or Guatemala teaching English. Then after that maybe a different location, depending on how I cope, maybe Mongolia or Cambodia.

Somewhere between 50-80k AUD. I live pretty frugally - I don't drive much, I eat pretty lean, don't blow money on drugs or alcohol, rarely spontaneously buy things, travel via volunteer work. Spare time is mainly music and sport - and they can be as cheap or expensive as I like. So mainly housing and bills really. The odd music toy here n there. With the price of housing in Melbourne though, well, who knows?

In designating indie as hipster and hipster as somehow inherently bad, without explaining either why they're connected or why either is necessarily bad, you're not really coming off as two clever, or even making much of a coherent argument. Hipster is a stupid term that was revived by an ad agency in the '90s to sell something or other. Lots of indie music is good. Lots is bad. Lots is mediocre. There's a hell of a lot of it out there. It's all bad, sorry for not coming off as TOO intelligent, this is the internet, intelligence is irrelevant. I don't care if it's a stupid term, if it communicates what I'm trying to communicate than it works, if it doesn't someones comprehensino is failing or they've never been aurally raped by the experience that is indie/hipster music.

Debating with complete idiots is much harder than debating with graduate students. This isn't a debate in case you haven't worked it out. If you like indie your opinion is not valid hence I do not recognise you as human, therefore you cannot debate this topic, I have already won any 'debate'. Indie is not a reference to independant labels, rather the monotonous, terrible attempts at music also known as hipster, you will know it and hate it when you hear it, if you don't do the world a favor and hang yourself. Arcadesonfire - you officially forfeited your membership to the human club.

loner stoenr, as for point #2-are you serious about the sub genre thing? "indie" or "hipster" music can include, noise, drone, twee, shoegaze, folk, post punk, dance punk, etc. It is the same with metal including doom, shred, etc... #3-many "hipsters" are great musicians. see beirut, stars of the lid, battles, midlake. Most of the people in these bands are great songwriters, music theory buffs, or jazz musicians. #4-Sufjan Stevens isn't "indie." I think you sort of don't know what indie is, and therefore have a bad view of it. Hipsters ejaculate of Stevens constantly, whether or not he is indie or not doesn't concern me, someone called him 'neo folk', thats a {censored} genre. Your points are flawed, drone sucks hardcore so it's still indie and contains a lot of what I mentioned, namely annoying guitar line (when they occur) and boring vocals. Good drone (boris.the melvins being the only two that come to mind) is really just slightly slower doom/stoner, hence thats why we can call it good and interesting. No hipsters are great musicians or songwriters period. Being a music theory buff, or playing in jazz bands will not equivilate you to being a good musician. I know a plethora of people in jazz bands and in orchestras even the most generous of people would hesitate calling them musicians. Your points are null and void, hipster music is still terrible, those that listen to it ruin their owns lives needlessly, Pitchfork is the biggest waste of storage space conceived and those that write for it do not deserve life. Loner - 20 Indie noobs - -450,000

Okay, {censored} you, and {censored} people like you. It's music. I'm sorry dude, but if you are actually going to judge the quality of a person on the kind of music that they listen to, then I really have nothing but contempt for you. Yeah, you and your music sit on a {censored}ing pedestal and condescend on the scum of the music community. "Hipsters" are frequently making more original music on a day to day basis than anyone else. The music scene has changed completely because of these "hipsters." How are hipsters, indie noobs, and "hipster music" not part of the "real music community?" What the {censored} is the real music community, anyways? Is that analogous to the world, perhaps? Because that would be like a certain type of people don't have rights or a "standing" in the world. Which is, of course, archaic thinking. Oh, boo, they're different. Get a life, asshole. {censored} you. Seriously, go away. I'm done with you. 1. It's not music, it's cleaverly disguised white noise manned by annoying fanboi's who have no idea on what basis to critisize music except what pitchfork tells them to listen to. Cause pitchfork is God. 2. "indie" and "hipster" genre's are the least original thing I have ever been forced to listen to, or experimented with, every band sounds almost identical at points. At least in metal theres 10000 sub genre's, at elast jazz has different eras, indie's just not original enough to have anything more than clean, slgithly out of tune guitars doing a lot of slides and boring whiny vocals. 3. The real music community are people that can accurately judge music for what it's worth, and are msuicians. I have yet to meet anyone i consider part of this community that doesn't frind hipster/indie music a complete waste of time musically. This applies equally from people I play in Orchestras with to guitar teachers, to the guy that runs the Bass store. 4. I don't mind them being different, when you have to put up with legions of society touting Radiohead as gods and people e-felating Sufjan Stevens with their own pathetic attempts at looking smart on the internet I'm going to call a spade a spade. Man up, delete that idea {censored} from your computer, break all those CD's, and get some real music (which is effectively any other genre other than hipster or indie)! 5. This thing called Neo'Folk is also not a genre, the only neo-folk worth listening to would be folk metal. Jonanna Newsom should give up music.

Pitchfork is the biggest excuse for indie noobs to ejaculate over other indie noobs, it's ridiculous. Hipster music is terrible, they should accept they have no standing in the real music community and move on.