Members hi.flyer Posted May 15, 2009 Members Share Posted May 15, 2009 http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=104189678&sc=fb&cc=fp NPR.org, May 15, 2009 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ec437 Posted May 15, 2009 Members Share Posted May 15, 2009 Wasn't he going to close Gitmo? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members zachoff Posted May 15, 2009 Members Share Posted May 15, 2009 Pardon my ignorance, but why would they have to come to the US when it's closed? Is Guantanamo the only US military prison in the world? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators ThudMaker Posted May 15, 2009 Moderators Share Posted May 15, 2009 I approve of this. I think overall Barack is doing the right thing... he's not just going for broke and trying to push through what HE wants, like W did and like I think alot of people were afraid he would. This is a more pragmatic approach... I mean, some of those mothas actually ARE dangerous terrorists.Thoughts?Thoughts? Between the far left media and the Pelosi/Reid Dem leadership it appears you bought hook/line/sinker into the Far Left Dem strategy that Bush is evil. Obama is no more a "pragmatist" than W was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members zachoff Posted May 15, 2009 Members Share Posted May 15, 2009 Thoughts? Between the far left media and the Pelosi/Reid Dem leadership it appears you bought hook/line/sinker into the Far Left Dem strategy that Bush is evil. Obama is no more a "pragmatist" than W was. Bush wasn't evil... He was stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators ThudMaker Posted May 15, 2009 Moderators Share Posted May 15, 2009 Bush wasn't evil... He was stupid.Yes. He was stupid for holding military trials knowing that his successor of the opposite party would discover the truth and continue with those military trials. Dumb, Dumb Dumb, Dumb, Dumb! Next thing you know the Administration will be against the trials, before they were for the trials, before they were against the trials. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members zachoff Posted May 15, 2009 Members Share Posted May 15, 2009 Yes. He was stupid for holding military trials knowing that his successor of the opposite party would discover the truth and continue with those military trials. Dumb, Dumb Dumb, Dumb, Dumb! Next thing you know the Administration will be against the trials, before they were for the trials, before they were against the trials. To be fair, Obama did change the things that bummed him about about the way Bush did it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Davo17 Posted May 15, 2009 Members Share Posted May 15, 2009 Ironic, dont you think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members s4001 Posted May 15, 2009 Members Share Posted May 15, 2009 As quite often is the case, the rubber of campaign rhetoric never meets the road. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ec437 Posted May 16, 2009 Members Share Posted May 16, 2009 As quite often is the case, the rubber of campaign rhetoric never meets the road. So... I'm confused. Did we get the change that we voted for? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members lug Posted May 16, 2009 Members Share Posted May 16, 2009 Bush wasn't evil... He was honest. Fixed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Davo17 Posted May 16, 2009 Members Share Posted May 16, 2009 Paging all O-bots and Change Zombies..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Thumper Posted May 16, 2009 Members Share Posted May 16, 2009 I'd guess the intent is to still close the detention facility at Gitmo. As for the trials---it's about time. The Bush administration played fast and loose with a number of issues, the detention of enemy combatants being one of them. The US is signatory to the Hague and Geneva Conventions, and we insist that other nations (signatory or not) follow the rules... Except we don't when it's inconvenient. We just invent a new category of detainee and deprive them of the basic protections we promised to observe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members blueyedmule Posted May 16, 2009 Members Share Posted May 16, 2009 So... I'm confused. Did we get the change that we voted for?Yup, it's in what's left of your 401k. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members blueyedmule Posted May 16, 2009 Members Share Posted May 16, 2009 I'd guess the intent is to still close the detention facility at Gitmo.As for the trials---it's about time. The Bush administration played fast and loose with a number of issues, the detention of enemy combatants being one of them.The US is signatory to the Hague and Geneva Conventions, and we insist that other nations (signatory or not) follow the rules...Except we don't when it's inconvenient. We just invent a new category of detainee and deprive them of the basic protections we promised to observe. Non-uniformed "combatants" with no dog tags, etc., working the way these terrorists, or if you prefer, insurgents, work, are not covered under the Geneva Agreement to my knowledge. The last Democratic president oveseeing a war who caught these kind of non-uniformed people gave them a quick military tribunal and summarily executed them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members In Absentia Posted May 16, 2009 Members Share Posted May 16, 2009 Fixed! Fixed again! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members s4001 Posted May 16, 2009 Members Share Posted May 16, 2009 Yup, it's in what's left of your 401k. Yep. And I hope I can someday get it back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Thumper Posted May 16, 2009 Members Share Posted May 16, 2009 Non-uniformed "combatants" with no dog tags, etc., working the way these terrorists, or if you prefer, insurgents, work, are not covered under the Geneva Agreement to my knowledge. The last Democratic president overseeing a war who caught these kind of non-uniformed people gave them a quick military tribunal and summarily executed them. IIRC the Hague and Geneva Conventions make a distinction between Privileged and Unprivileged detainees. Privileged detainees are regular combatants who bear arms openly and are part of an organized armed force. They are entitled to POW status as soon as they're taken prisoner. Unprivileged detainees are another category, including spies, saboteurs etc who are held as POWs until granted a hearing by 'fair and competent authority.' After the hearing they may be granted Privileged status and be treated in accordance with the Conventions. If declared Unprivileged, they are supposed to be remanded to civil authorities for trial. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Kindness Posted May 16, 2009 Moderators Share Posted May 16, 2009 Stop bringing facts to the conversation Thumper; people want uninformed rants! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Davo17 Posted May 16, 2009 Members Share Posted May 16, 2009 Yeah turn the rational logic down, and the emotions up! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ec437 Posted May 16, 2009 Members Share Posted May 16, 2009 Yup, it's in what's left of your 401k. SURPRISE!!! Joke's on him. I don't HAVE a 401k!!! :D:D:D:D:D:D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members poorboy Posted May 16, 2009 Members Share Posted May 16, 2009 So... I'm confused. Did we get the change that we voted for? You bet! Change is all I have left! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Bernie P. Posted May 16, 2009 Members Share Posted May 16, 2009 "Stupid" Bush kept our ass' safe with his stupid policies.Let's wait and see how "change" Obama does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Perfessor Posted May 16, 2009 Members Share Posted May 16, 2009 All I know is it was fun news week! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Bernie P. Posted May 16, 2009 Members Share Posted May 16, 2009 All I know is it was fun news week! And the Oscar goes to.... Nancy Pelosi ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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