Members philthygeezer Posted October 15, 2009 Members Share Posted October 15, 2009 MOSCOW (AP) - A top Russian security official says Moscow reserves the right to conduct pre-emptive nuclear strikes to safeguard the country against aggression on both a large and a local scale, according to a newspaper interview published Wednesday. http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D9BAUJ680&show_article=1 Yikes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members lug Posted October 15, 2009 Members Share Posted October 15, 2009 Yes, I can definitly see evil Bush's hand in all this. THAT BASTAGE! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Bluescout Posted October 15, 2009 Members Share Posted October 15, 2009 This is what happens when you take control of the country away from "crazy Texan" and give it to "gonna fix the world with hugs" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators ThudMaker Posted October 15, 2009 Moderators Share Posted October 15, 2009 I don't see the big deal. Did anyone ever think that if the Russians feel/felt threatened that they wouldn't press the button first? This simply puts it in writing, IMHO. So much for Obama love, the UN and the dream of worldwide nuclear disarmament. Thank you, Mr. Putin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members philthygeezer Posted October 15, 2009 Author Members Share Posted October 15, 2009 Yes, I can definitly see evil Bush's hand in all this. THAT BASTAGE! There could be a case for, "well, they started it!". Two distinct schools of thought arose in the Bush Administration regarding the question of how to handle countries such as Iraq, Iran, and North Korea ("Axis of Evil"[29] states).[citation needed] Secretary of State Colin Powell and National Security Advisor Condoleezza Rice, as well as U.S. Department of State specialists, argued for what was essentially the continuation of existing U.S. foreign policy.[citation needed] These policies, developed after the Cold War, sought to establish a multilateral consensus for action (which would likely take the form of increasingly harsh sanctions against the problem states, summarized as the policy of containment).[citation needed] The opposing view, argued by Vice President Dick Cheney, Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld and a number of influential Department of Defense policy makers such as Paul Wolfowitz and Richard Perle, held that direct and unilateral action was both possible and justified and that America should embrace the opportunities for democracy and security offered by its position as sole remaining superpower.[citation needed] President Bush ultimately sided with the Department of Defense camp, and their recommendations.[citation needed] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bush_Doctrine#Preemptive_strikes Lots of citations needed but not pulled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members philthygeezer Posted October 15, 2009 Author Members Share Posted October 15, 2009 I don't see the big deal. Did anyone ever think that if the Russians feel/felt threatened that they wouldn't press the button first? This simply puts it in writing, IMHO. So much for Obama love, the UN and the dream of worldwide nuclear disarmament. Thank you, Mr. Putin. The first part seems to make a good point. The rest I don't really agree with. Brinkmanship is no way to run a world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Darkstorm Posted October 15, 2009 Members Share Posted October 15, 2009 Its no big deal, thats been both russian and american attitude since long before either bush was in office. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members FreestyleIntruder Posted October 15, 2009 Members Share Posted October 15, 2009 Its no big deal, thats been both russian and american attitude since long before either bush was in office. +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Mudbass Posted October 15, 2009 Members Share Posted October 15, 2009 I don't see the big deal. Did anyone ever think that if the Russians feel/felt threatened that they wouldn't press the button first? The Russian economy hasn't exacty been robust since the fall of the Soviet Union. The once mighty Russian Navy lies rusting in Murmansk harbor. Russian soldiers don't even enjoy regular paydays. Russia's nuclear arsonal is approaching 50 years old and like everything else has been starved by shortages, budget cuts and decades of neglect. If the Russians do push the button don't be surprised if nothing happens...the Russians won't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members lug Posted October 15, 2009 Members Share Posted October 15, 2009 There could be a case for, "well, they started it!".Lots of citations needed but not pulled. When you see this story and the first thing you need to do is immediately try to relate it to a past administration should tell you something if you look at it objectively. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Kindness Posted October 15, 2009 Moderators Share Posted October 15, 2009 if you look at it objectively. Won't happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators ThudMaker Posted October 16, 2009 Moderators Share Posted October 16, 2009 The Russian economy hasn't exacty been robust since the fall of the Soviet Union. The once mighty Russian Navy lies rusting in Murmansk harbor. Russian soldiers don't even enjoy regular paydays. Russia's nuclear arsonal is approaching 50 years old and like everything else has been starved by shortages, budget cuts and decades of neglect. If the Russians do push the button don't be surprised if nothing happens...the Russians won't.The "Fall of the Soviet Union" was quite some time ago. For starters they are the largest non-OPEC oil producer and second in production only to Saudi Arabia. Their soldiers aren't unpaid and their equipment isn't rusting. If the Russians wouldn't be surprised if their nukes didn't fire when the button was pushed, there would be no reason for Obama to have even considered pulling the missile defenses from Poland/Eastern Europe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Thumper Posted October 16, 2009 Members Share Posted October 16, 2009 Won't happen. Yep... (hands Patrick a sack of pretzels, an Oaked Arrogant Bastard, and waits for the show...) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members LouSpaceMonkey Posted October 16, 2009 Members Share Posted October 16, 2009 Its no big deal, thats been both russian and american attitude since long before either bush was in office. Wisdom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members LouSpaceMonkey Posted October 16, 2009 Members Share Posted October 16, 2009 The "Fall of the Soviet Union" was quite some time ago. For starters they are the largest non-OPEC oil producer and second in production only to Saudi Arabia. Their soldiers aren't unpaid and their equipment isn't rusting. If the Russians wouldn't be surprised if their nukes didn't fire when the button was pushed, there would be no reason for Obama to have even considered pulling the missile defenses from Poland/Eastern Europe. Wisdom +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members philthygeezer Posted October 16, 2009 Author Members Share Posted October 16, 2009 Won't happen. The story immediately reminded me of a video from Thunderfoot where they asked about her position on 'The Bush Doctrine', and she didn't know what it was. The interviewer went on to explain that it was 'the right to a pre-emptive strike', and Thunderfoot went on to explain that it was probably the biggest foreign policy blunder of the past 30 years. Hence the catchy title. ntEE9Zy-qQQ Edit: 7:20-9 min or so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members King Kashue Posted October 16, 2009 Members Share Posted October 16, 2009 Won't happen. Can't happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members gspointer Posted October 16, 2009 Members Share Posted October 16, 2009 Sweet, we got palin in the first page too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members philthygeezer Posted October 16, 2009 Author Members Share Posted October 16, 2009 The "Fall of the Soviet Union" was quite some time ago. For starters they are the largest non-OPEC oil producer and second in production only to Saudi Arabia. Their soldiers aren't unpaid and their equipment isn't rusting. If the Russians wouldn't be surprised if their nukes didn't fire when the button was pushed, there would be no reason for Obama to have even considered pulling the missile defenses from Poland/Eastern Europe. I agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members philthygeezer Posted October 16, 2009 Author Members Share Posted October 16, 2009 Seems like the consensus is that nothing's changed since before Kennedy and this has always been the policy of both nations long before it was attributed to the 'neocons', despite it having been officially countenanced by the Bush administration. Nothing to see here then. Agreed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Kindness Posted October 16, 2009 Moderators Share Posted October 16, 2009 Can't happen. Yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members FreestyleIntruder Posted October 16, 2009 Members Share Posted October 16, 2009 The "Fall of the Soviet Union" was quite some time ago. For starters they are the largest non-OPEC oil producer and second in production only to Saudi Arabia. Their soldiers aren't unpaid and their equipment isn't rusting. If the Russians wouldn't be surprised if their nukes didn't fire when the button was pushed, there would be no reason for Obama to have even considered pulling the missile defenses from Poland/Eastern Europe. ...except the proposed missile shield was not intended to stop Russian missiles. It couldn't, in fact, since the launch corridors for Russian ICBM against the USA are over the North Pole (which is why your missile launch detection radar are in Alaska) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Perfessor Posted October 16, 2009 Members Share Posted October 16, 2009 The "Fall of the Soviet Union" was quite some time ago. For starters they are the largest non-OPEC oil producer and second in production only to Saudi Arabia. Their soldiers aren't unpaid and their equipment isn't rusting. If the Russians wouldn't be surprised if their nukes didn't fire when the button was pushed, there would be no reason for Obama to have even considered pulling the missile defenses from Poland/Eastern Europe. Russia has a 10 year supply of oil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members wades_keys Posted October 16, 2009 Members Share Posted October 16, 2009 Yes. Obama: "Yes you can't." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members NeonVomit Posted October 16, 2009 Members Share Posted October 16, 2009 Its no big deal, thats been both russian and american attitude since long before either bush was in office. Yeah, I don't see how this is any different from the policies of the last 20 years in any way. Move along, nothing to see here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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