Members ggm1960 Posted April 5, 2018 Author Members Share Posted April 5, 2018 Bose...well, all I will say is if you have the money, go ahead. Some people love them, some people remain unimpressed. I have only heard the JBL line array demo'd at NAMM and frankly, in that cavernous hall with the constant cacophony, it didn't seem to cut through at all....but it might be great in a smaller more intimate setting. Except for the SoundLink Mini Bluetooth Speaker I chose for my 25 year work anniversary gift, I don't recall ever seeing a piece of Bose gear that I didn't think was overpriced. I'm still leaning towards the JBL eon one pro system. With four XLR ins I can theoretically lose the mixer as well as the monitors. It's been a long time since I've had to personally deal with the PA system at gigs but I haven't forgotten what a pain in the ass it can be so my mantra is, 'keep it simple stupid'! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators daddymack Posted April 6, 2018 Moderators Share Posted April 6, 2018 four piece band?...this is solos and duos, so sound reinforcement is a very different critter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ggm1960 Posted April 16, 2018 Author Members Share Posted April 16, 2018 Just to follow up a bit, after I mentioned to my wife I thought the JBL Eon Pro system looked like a good option for us she jumped ahead and ordered it. She surprised me with it when she brought it home last friday, the day before her birthday party. We set it up and it sounded real nice and clear and although it's not terribly powerful, I thought it worked well for just the two of us. Setup/teardown couldn't be easier; the "sticks" snap into the bass/mixer section, no cables except power, and the sticks fit into the unit for one hand transport of the whole thing. We took it to her party, along with a keyboard amp for our instruments (acoustic gtr, keys and wind), and it worked great when just the two of us were playing/singing but it got overwhelmed when more jammers started showing up. Soon we had electric guitar, another acoustic, saxophone, pan flutes, and a charango but what undoubtedly pushed it over the edge was the acoustic drum set. I mean it got hard for me to even hear my acoustic guitar and a jammer friend brought up another amp just for that. I wasn't disappointed, obviously the unit is not designed for a jam of the magnitude we had going and, bless it's little heart, I could always hear my vocal even if it had trouble projecting further into the room! I'm fairly confident the unit will work for any small scale gigs we get lined up as a duo or trio. https://www.facebook.com/100013501579197/videos/435283536931695/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators daddymack Posted April 16, 2018 Moderators Share Posted April 16, 2018 At 250w and 118dB max, the JBL Eon Pro is not designed to stand up to a drumkit, but yes, for small gigs and outdoor busking it should work well! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members modulusman Posted April 17, 2018 Members Share Posted April 17, 2018 Musicians friend has them on sale for $849.00 which is a $150.00 savings hopefully she got a good deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ggm1960 Posted April 17, 2018 Author Members Share Posted April 17, 2018 This is the Eon One Pro rather than just the Eon One, has more inputs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members kbeaumont Posted April 17, 2018 Members Share Posted April 17, 2018 I'm glad it worked out for you. The power rating is why I went with the TurboSound at 1000 watts and 122db it is capable of doing bigger gigs. I always thought the Eon Pro sounded very good and for most small setups like duos and small trios its excellent. Acoustic drums aren't too bad if you have a drummer who is has a light touch. Some drummers just bang the hell out of their drums. It may be heresy to some but for a good mix in a small to medium room electronic drums is the way to go. Or a plexiglass 'cage'! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members steve mac Posted April 17, 2018 Members Share Posted April 17, 2018 The one handed carry in, makes me forgive a lot of other short comings Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Pat'sStrat Posted April 22, 2018 Members Share Posted April 22, 2018 Just a question, but do lots of areas have available venues for acoustic trios and duos? Because where I live, there are maybe or 2 or 3 in the entire area of 400k people. Itr seems most places, If they can afford a trio, they want a classic rock band. Acoustic gigs are almost 100% solo and are all littl pizza joints, microbrew ale houses, restaurants and so on. Just wondering what other places are like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ggm1960 Posted April 22, 2018 Author Members Share Posted April 22, 2018 Just a question' date=' but do lots of areas have available venues for acoustic trios and duos? [/quote'] There are a number of places in this area where solo and duo acts are playing, trios may be a little more rare and I would suppose it would stand to reason that some places aren't going to pay more to get a trio over a solo or duo, I'm sure it depends on a few factors. This also kind of leads to an interesting question, what would distinguish a trio act from a band? I might suggest that it's volume? It's important to note that although I know several friends and acquaintances doing solo/duo gigs, I don't have any real experience in that area of performing myself. I'm hoping to get the opportunity to get into it and at that point I'm sure I can get a lot of information from these people. Probably the most common venue for what I'll just refer to as 'small acts' are the wineries/distilleries that have sprung up around the area in recent years. There are also some small bars and even occasionally bigger ones that hire these small acts. Sometimes the small acts are hired as warm up acts in larger venues, casinos or outdoor festivals. The people I know seem to be keeping as busy as they want to be but also the majority of them are only musicians as a hobby. My wife and I both have full time careers so when we dip into this thing it'll just be for a fun hobby, something the wife and I can have fun doing together. It's important to note though, myself and whoever is playing with me are going to take home a minimum of $100 apiece or I'm not getting off the couch! With all that in mind we don't want to be busy in the music biz, we have a lot of other things we want and need to be doing and that's a big reason why I'm trying to get out of the band I'm currently in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Bob Dey Posted April 23, 2018 Members Share Posted April 23, 2018 I don't keep up with what type of acts are getting the most gigs. I know of one acoustic trio in my area that does a lot of 3 part harmony i.e. CSN type stuff. One of the places they play at also has electric bands. I don't think they get a lot of gigs though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members senorblues Posted April 23, 2018 Members Share Posted April 23, 2018 Acoustic trios - and larger - are common up here. Mostly family based hobby bands that play the same venues that solos play so it's not really a viable format if generating income is important. There are a couple notable exceptions; one in particular. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members kbeaumont Posted April 23, 2018 Members Share Posted April 23, 2018 One of the places they play at also has electric bands. I don't think they get a lot of gigs though. You really can't know for sure, some people don't want to do a lot of gigs. It depends on how motivated they are. And how good they are at marketing themselves and talking to managers. There is the whole business side of music, that some people never really like. I'm currently playing in a trio of guitar, drums & keyboard/bass. Its all pop/rock with a couple rap & current country songs but mostly stuff like Tom Petty, Mellencamp, Grand Funk, Bob Seger, ZZ-Top etc. I am doing the keys & bass, plus vocals. Everyone of us sings. For over a year we only played about once a month always the same restaurant on a covered, heated and screened in patio. Then all of a sudden we are getting gigs from just about every local venue around. What changed? The patio gig had us playing to the whole street. People would walk by and listen. Then they would talk to the managers of the other establishments, Then when we come and talk to them about gigs, they know the band by name. We also keep in touch with our fans via facebook. They get messages in advance where are next gig is, usually wherever we play if it is local there will be at least 10 -15 familiar faces. And the managers pick up on that. We can play the smaller gigs or bigger gigs. The drums are electric and depending on how I orient the keys we can take very little space if needed. With everything going in the mixer with two iP1000 columns speakers, controlling volume and mix is simple. I also have a bigger PA that can do big places, like big outdoor events. Don't use it much anymore. Most gigs are 30 to 60 people, a hundred or more is the rare exception, Big gigs just aren't that plentiful anymore. In the 80's and early 90's I could play as many gigs as I could handle at top scale. I have been in 10 piece bands with a horn section.This just isn't the case anymore. Most places just don't have live music anymore. The band started as a duo to pick up the numerous brewery, restaurant and small tavern gigs . This is a tourist town so there are lots of these locally. No traveling 40 to 100 miles anymore! The nice thing about a trio is no backing tracks are needed to sound full. Which lends itself to requests, letting "certain" audience members sing, etc. When members from local bands start showing up at your gigs, its a sign something is working. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members senorblues Posted April 23, 2018 Members Share Posted April 23, 2018 Got any board mixes of your band? I tried the same format a year ago. Couldn't get it off the ground, but I remain hopeful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members kbeaumont Posted April 23, 2018 Members Share Posted April 23, 2018 No board mixes, but here is a zoom q3 video. We had an additional singer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Pat'sStrat Posted April 24, 2018 Members Share Posted April 24, 2018 Interesting. Here, $100-150 is the norm, 200 rarely and one venue pays 300. Most all of them give performers about a 6 x 6 foot area in which to set up, but lots of them are even smaller. I literally sit on a stool with my speaker right behind me over my head, my mixer about a foot away, and a mic stand right in front of me. I've done gigs here where I literally had an area to sit just over 3 feet wide . There are a few exceptions, but not many. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Drummer44 Posted May 18, 2018 Members Share Posted May 18, 2018 For certain the most important thing is some PA for our vocals. We can bring small amps for instruments, in fact, my wife and I often just run our stuff (keys, flute, ac gtr) through the same little Roland keyboard amp at jams and open mics already. This is a total for-fun project and that requires keeping it small and simple. I've already done my time in the band business where I had all this PA gear with huge speakers, mixers, monitors, power amps and all that crap. I sold all that stuff and won't be going back there. From here on out any bigger projects I choose to get involved in will provide PA support. Been gone for a while, so this is probably OBE by now, and I haven't read the whole thread anyway... But the best thing we did was to bag the instrument amps altogether, and run everything (except acoustic drums) through the mixer/PA. The PA can be customized to suit band and venue, but mostly our set-up simplified all sorta of issues, including load-in/load-out. Happens our system is fairly small... but with a 12-channel board that has enough inputs to support 4-5 mics, keys, a couple guitars and a bass, plus an e-drum thing... with powered sub and speakers. We only use a single sub... but generally the whole thing can be customized to suit. -D44 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ggm1960 Posted May 18, 2018 Author Members Share Posted May 18, 2018 They are definitely exceptional! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ggm1960 Posted May 20, 2018 Author Members Share Posted May 20, 2018 the best thing we did was to bag the instrument amps altogether, and run everything (except acoustic drums) through the mixer/PA. The PA can be customized to suit band and venue, but mostly our set-up simplified all sorta of issues, including load-in/load-out. Happens our system is fairly small... but with a 12-channel board that has enough inputs to support 4-5 mics, keys, a couple guitars and a bass, plus an e-drum thing... with powered sub and speakers. We only use a single sub... but generally the whole thing can be customized to suit. -D44 I have a couple of small mixers and I haven't ruled out the option of eliminating amps but since my wife and I can run through the same amp it's not adding much to our haul and right now I kind of like having the instruments separated from the vocals. Our little JBL Eon One Pro system is pretty small but if we feel the need for more of a PA in the future eliminating amps will probably be high on the list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Drummer44 Posted May 23, 2018 Members Share Posted May 23, 2018 I have a couple of small mixers and I haven't ruled out the option of eliminating amps but since my wife and I can run through the same amp it's not adding much to our haul and right now I kind of like having the instruments separated from the vocals. Our little JBL Eon One Pro system is pretty small but if we feel the need for more of a PA in the future eliminating amps will probably be high on the list. Our move in that direction started because we're old, and load-in/load-out became a target of our creative laziness. The initial choice was about whether we wanted to schlepp a PA (mixer, plus active sub(s), mains, and sometimes monitors)... or whether we wanted to move that same PA plus two or more guitar amps (one gig, we needed four), a keyboard amp,and a bass amp. A slightly more capable mixer made that an easy one. The subs/FOH speakers/monitors were all selected with weight being one of the determining criteria. It comes with issues; for example, we've got some basic effects available on the mixer, but guitarists wanting their own or different effects had best learn to solve that with pedals and/or pods or whatever. Not my problem. -D44 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members kbeaumont Posted May 23, 2018 Members Share Posted May 23, 2018 My band has eliminated amps and runs everything into a single mixer. We are using a the Behringer XR18 but are seriously considering the Soundcraft Ui24 digital mixer. I originally started with the goal of reducing the weight and complexity. Our drummer uses an electronic set. The sound benefits soon became apparent. Every musician that has come to our gigs comments on how transparent and clear every single instrument is. Every voice, and instrument can be heard in the overall mix. And stage volume is low, no cymbals crashing in your ears or the guitar stepping over the keys. We originally daisy chained a 10 channel and a twelve channel mixer. While this worked, monitoring wasn't nearly as flexible and the noise floor was probably higher. It didn't have near the clarity and headroom as the single mixer. I also play in another band with their equipment which is the typical passive speakers, power amps, rack of electronics, Acoustic drums and loud guitar amps. Loading in and out is a pain in the rear and the mix the audience hears isn't nearly as good. There are constant battles on stage over volume. In short its not nearly as fun. Sorry about the rants, but I really have been converted. If your playing huge venues, then the traditional setup is required to push a lot of air to 2 -3 hundred people especially outdoors. But if your playing typical bingo hall sized rooms, outdoor patios, breweries and pubs its best to keep it simple. Your load in and out is quicker, your not tripping over dozens of cables and the sound in most cases is way better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators daddymack Posted May 23, 2018 Moderators Share Posted May 23, 2018 Our move in that direction started because we're old, and load-in/load-out became a target of our creative laziness. The initial choice was about whether we wanted to schlepp a PA (mixer, plus active sub(s), mains, and sometimes monitors)... or whether we wanted to move that same PA plus two or more guitar amps (one gig, we needed four), a keyboard amp,and a bass amp. A slightly more capable mixer made that an easy one. The subs/FOH speakers/monitors were all selected with weight being one of the determining criteria. It comes with issues; for example, we've got some basic effects available on the mixer, but guitarists wanting their own or different effects had best learn to solve that with pedals and/or pods or whatever. Not my problem. -D44 are you using electronic drums or acoustic? You mention both in an earlier post... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Drummer44 Posted May 26, 2018 Members Share Posted May 26, 2018 are you using electronic drums or acoustic? You mention both in an earlier post... I have both, sorta. The acoustic kit (see avatar) is usually padded and I usually use that with low-volume L80 cymbals here in our jam room... and then if we have to play out, I can unpad and swap cymbals for more volume if necessary. I don't mic anything, though -- or at least haven't had to, given I don't play out much anymore and I can pick and choose. The "sorta" e-kit is a drum kit in a single box: a multi-pad with kick pedal, coupled with real cymbals and hats, then voiced to emulate everything on my acoustic kit. It's a little goofy at first glance, but saves a gazillion trips during load-in/load-out and it saves a boatload of space during transit. Anyway, this one runs through the PA just fine... -D44 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Voltan Posted May 29, 2018 Members Share Posted May 29, 2018 ive run qsc k8's and k10's with very good results even outdoors for small to medium gigs. light, clean, powerful... the k8's have a wide pattern that is relatively feedback free... ive used them behind me a time or two and had no problems being heard or hearing myself. lots of good boards, im using a yamaha 12ch w.fx... easily scalable to the job at hand and i can fit the whole thing in a prius... with guitars banjos, keyboards, drums... and sometimes an accomplice in crime... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members MrHarryReems Posted May 29, 2018 Members Share Posted May 29, 2018 I would LOVE to see this! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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