Members Eddie27 Posted June 7, 2009 Members Share Posted June 7, 2009 1. Good cables make a huge difference. I finally bought a good pair (Death Valley) and it makes a world of difference. I play a Reverend Charger w/ P90s thru a Savage Macht 12. The noise that I thought was unavoidable with P90s disappeared 95% with the DV cables. 2. My Danelectro Cool Cat Fuzz is a tonesucker. I tested all my pedals alone (Ibanez DE7, Visual Sound Hwy 66, Boss TU-2, and MXR Micro Amp) and the Cool Cat was the only one that affected tone. Even disengaged, it sounded like my tone control was rolled halfway back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members claytonjohn18 Posted June 7, 2009 Members Share Posted June 7, 2009 way to go, boss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members skitzy Posted June 7, 2009 Members Share Posted June 7, 2009 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members solly Posted June 7, 2009 Members Share Posted June 7, 2009 what cables were you using before? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Naterel Posted June 7, 2009 Members Share Posted June 7, 2009 picks also make a difference Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Aaron SS Posted June 7, 2009 Members Share Posted June 7, 2009 I agree with 1 and highly disagree with 2. YMMV though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Loobs Posted June 7, 2009 Members Share Posted June 7, 2009 Hey, show me your Reverend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members skitzy Posted June 7, 2009 Members Share Posted June 7, 2009 Hey, show me your Reverend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members BoredGuitarist7 Posted June 7, 2009 Members Share Posted June 7, 2009 How can a True Bypass pedal tonesuck? :poke: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil O'Keefe Posted June 7, 2009 Share Posted June 7, 2009 Yeah, I've never noticed any change in tone with the Cool Cat Fuzz bypassed - and it is a true bypass pedal - no buffer, straight wire from input to output when bypassed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members skitzy Posted June 7, 2009 Members Share Posted June 7, 2009 2. My Danelectro Cool Cat Fuzz is a tonesucker. I tested all my pedals alone (Ibanez DE7, Visual Sound Hwy 66, Boss TU-2, and MXR Micro Amp) and the Cool Cat was the only one that affected tone. Even disengaged, it sounded like my tone control was rolled halfway back. maybe it's the cables edit: i realize i may be trolling, it's all in good fun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members goodhonk Posted June 7, 2009 Members Share Posted June 7, 2009 every pedal but that one sould be sucking the tone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Cirrus Posted June 8, 2009 Members Share Posted June 8, 2009 Well, if they were being tested one at a time, it could be that the one that's true bypass did sound duller - the buffers in the other pedals will likely brighten up the tone. Buffers aren't always bad, after all... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members gae86 Posted June 8, 2009 Members Share Posted June 8, 2009 :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Mind_Riot89 Posted June 8, 2009 Members Share Posted June 8, 2009 Well, if they were being tested one at a time, it could be that the one that's true bypass did sound duller - the buffers in the other pedals will likely brighten up the tone. Buffers aren't always bad, after all... This. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members danfromdsf Posted June 8, 2009 Members Share Posted June 8, 2009 Well, if they were being tested one at a time, it could be that the one that's true bypass did sound duller - the buffers in the other pedals will likely brighten up the tone. Buffers aren't always bad, after all... +2 Don't give up on that Cool Cat, just don't leave it alone with no buffer as a friend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members melx Posted June 8, 2009 Members Share Posted June 8, 2009 oh FFS, everyone wanted TB pedals and now TB pedals are tone suckers....will this nonsense ever end? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Cirrus Posted June 8, 2009 Members Share Posted June 8, 2009 oh FFS, everyone wanted TB pedals and now TB pedals are tone suckers....will this nonsense ever end? I keep my Korg DT-10 tuner at the start of my pedalboard because it's got a good buffer - it gives me a bit more sparkle since when I gig I'm using 30ft of cable out to the guitar. I think "tone suck" is a bit of a harsh term, because no matter what you use it'll affect your tone somehow, and not always for the worse. I guess true bypass is just more predictable, and if you've got a series of true bypass pedals it'll be no worse than a cable, you can always buffer it at either end... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Eddie27 Posted June 8, 2009 Author Members Share Posted June 8, 2009 All I know is I tried each pedal by itself and compared it to my guitar being plugged straight in. The CC was the only one that affected the tone. Maybe I got a bad one. Obviously I'm not into expensive pedals, but it's probably not a coincidence the $30 pedal was the only one that affected the tone. The old cables I used were the ones you get at GC with the short blue sleeves over the wires. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members django5 Posted June 8, 2009 Members Share Posted June 8, 2009 I keep my Korg DT-10 tuner at the start of my pedalboard because it's got a good buffer - it gives me a bit more sparkle since when I gig I'm using 30ft of cable out to the guitar. 30ft !? Where are you playing? The Moon?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members olgluefoot Posted June 8, 2009 Members Share Posted June 8, 2009 30ft !? Where are you playing? The Moon?! seriously laughing out loud Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members BoredGuitarist7 Posted June 8, 2009 Members Share Posted June 8, 2009 All I know is I tried each pedal by itself and compared it to my guitar being plugged straight in. The CC was the only one that affected the tone. Maybe I got a bad one. Obviously I'm not into expensive pedals, but it's probably not a coincidence the $30 pedal was the only one that affected the tone.The old cables I used were the ones you get at GC with the short blue sleeves over the wires. It was a coincidence. It IS true bypass. Nothing there TO affect the TONE! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members danfromdsf Posted June 8, 2009 Members Share Posted June 8, 2009 All I know is I tried each pedal by itself and compared it to my guitar being plugged straight in. The CC was the only one that affected the tone. Maybe I got a bad one. Obviously I'm not into expensive pedals, but it's probably not a coincidence the $30 pedal was the only one that affected the tone. The old cables I used were the ones you get at GC with the short blue sleeves over the wires. I know that seems totally logical, and who knows? Maybe you do have a bad one. But the Cool Cats are all true bypass, which means by the way they're wired that, in the traditional sense, they don't suck tone. Whatever comes in is directly sent out when the pedal is off. A lot of pedals, though, including all of the other pedals you mentioned, have a buffer. Admittedly, I don't know much about buffers, but the basic concept is that it boosts the signal regardless of whether the pedal is on or off. So it takes in something, boosts it, and then sends it out. This is where the traditional "tone suck" comes into play, because it's technically changing the signal. So people get really into true bypass pedals because hey, it doesn't change your tone, so it must be perfect! But nothing is perfect. When it goes through tons of feet of cable, your signal is degraded. Worse tone, lower volume, whatever it is. The better the cable, the better it sounds, but even the best cables can't help but be cables. So a true bypass pedal will take in your degraded signal, send it out near-perfectly, and then that degraded signal will go through another lengthy cable where it will degrade further. A buffered pedal will boost the degraded signal and then send it through. I hope that makes sense. Please, someone who knows more about this and knows better how to explain it, step in and fix my mistakes. But that's the basic idea. So let's say you have a ten foot cable from your guitar to your pedal, then another twenty feet from your pedal to your amp. When you plug in straight, you just use the one cable, so that's ten feet of signal degradation - no big deal. But when you test out the true bypass Cool Cat, you're sending that signal through thirty feet of signal degradation - and there's where you'll hear it. So it seems like it's the Cool Cat, but in truth it's the fact that the cool cat isn't doing anything that's the problem. Again, hope that makes sense. I've gone on way too long. Basically, buffers can be good, and if you have one somewhere in your chain and your Cool Cat Fuzz isn't defective, the Cool Cat Fuzz won't "suck" any tone. Try testing the TU-2 in a chain, then individually test all of the other pedals after or before it, and I bet you won't hear any tone loss with the Cool Cat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Mind_Riot89 Posted June 9, 2009 Members Share Posted June 9, 2009 ^ I'm glad someone made the point about the cables. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Jenesis Posted June 9, 2009 Members Share Posted June 9, 2009 DJ Run, and I run things You can hear it loud and clear Like when the school bell rings Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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