Obama healthcare... whats the fuss?

[the.bjorndahl]

One of my personal favorites is the woman talking about Czars. Czars in america are not a russian czar. Czars were used under Bush and no one bitched about it then. But Obama has czars and WOOOAAAHHHHH!!! COMMUNIST COMMUNIST COMMUNIST. and that dumbass in the steelers coat talking about how she is set up to handle foreign policy because Russia is right across the street. States do nothing to handle foreign policy. Arizona and Texas are the closest we have, and all they do is catch people crossing illegally. they don't do anything about the policy.

 

 

Awesome.

"I watch Fox news, a LOT."

[gambit]

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holy {censored}.

[AnderMocs]

Doesn't do one damn thing to get costs under control. Funny how they forgot about that. My wife sprained a pinkie a few months ago. They told her there was nothing to do to it but try not to use it, but if she likes they can give her a splint. She figured ah well, sure why not. She didn't end up using it. That $2 piece of crap splint she didn't use cost $87. We were mistakenly sent the bill for it, it was covered by her insurance. Otherwise we wouldn't have found out. That's a good example why health care is so {censored}ed up here, and the bill does exactly zippo to correct crap like that. Oh, and in before the lock.

 

 

this. a splint is a piece of metal with foam glued to it with a little medical tape. It literally costs less than a happy meal to make.

 

both my parents work in health care. My dad is a pharmacist. I've heard so many stories about drugs that are updates that don't do anything but do add to cost and how a lot of generic drugs are the same exact pill from the same factory in a different labeled bottle. The drug industry is soooooo {censored}ed up.

 

and my mom was a nurse for a lot of years and is now an administrator type person for the company she works for. She works for a health system that was recognized by Obama in two speeches as a model for good health care at real costs. My mom was a leader in the teams overhauling their system. Kind of amazing.

[Brian Marshall]

One of my personal favorites is the woman talking about Czars. Czars in america are not a russian czar. Czars were used under Bush and no one bitched about it then. But Obama has czars and WOOOAAAHHHHH!!! COMMUNIST COMMUNIST COMMUNIST. and that dumbass in the steelers coat talking about how she is set up to handle foreign policy because Russia is right across the street. States do nothing to handle foreign policy. Arizona and Texas are the closest we have, and all they do is catch people crossing illegally. they don't do anything about the policy.

people in that video are just celebrity worshippers.

and czars were not even commies... the commies killed the czars.

[AnderMocs]

people in that video are just celebrity worshippers. and czars were not even commies... the commies killed the czars.

i know. it amazes me that these people can't remember {censored} from a basic high school history class.

[Jules-RM]

 

this. a splint is a piece of metal with foam glued to it with a little medical tape. It literally costs less than a happy meal to make. both my parents work in health care. My dad is a pharmacist. I've heard so many stories about drugs that are updates that don't do anything but do add to cost and how a lot of generic drugs are the same exact pill from the same factory in a different labeled bottle. The drug industry is soooooo {censored}ed up. and my mom was a nurse for a lot of years and is now an administrator type person for the company she works for. She works for a health system that was recognized by Obama in two speeches as a model for good health care at real costs. My mom was a leader in the teams overhauling their system. Kind of amazing.

 

 

Now if they can make it so 1 splint costs the same at the doctors office as it does at the local drug store, then I'm all on board. Unfortunately since they put a new tax on anything medical, that $87 splint is probably now at least $107.

 

It looks like the fix is in from the drug companies, insurance industry and lawyers on this one. Time will tell, I guess.

[AnderMocs]

Now if they can make it so 1 splint costs the same at the doctors office as it does at the local drug store, then I'm all on board. Unfortunately since they put a new tax on anything medical, that $87 splint is probably now at least $107. It looks like the fix is in from the drug companies, insurance industry and lawyers on this one. Time will tell, I guess.

 

 

it would take a revolution to happen but I would love to see the day when lobby's are outlawed. they do nothing for the population. it's all to promote the interest of industries so bloated that they can throw money at congressman to make {censored} happen for them.

[K2000]

What does the health care bill mean to me?

Find out what the impact will be on you, by answering a couple of simple questions (at link below):

Do you currently have insurance
Number of household members
Annual Income
Marital status

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/special/politics/what-health-bill-means-for-you/?nav=most_emailed

[Jules-RM]

 

it would take a revolution to happen but I would love to see the day when lobby's are outlawed. they do nothing for the population. it's all to promote the interest of industries so bloated that they can throw money at congressman to make {censored} happen for them.

 

 

Of the three I mentioned I give the most slack to the drug companies. R&D isn't exactly cheap, I'd like better chemo drugs the next time I have to do that crap.

 

We shouldn't need insurance, except for catastrophic stuff. If it cost $50 to visit the doc most people would just pay cash rather than the $300 a month per individual they are paying for insurance for splints now.

 

And lawyers? Shakespeare has the right idea about them (Henry VI). I love good ol' Will.

[attic]

 

Of the three I mentioned I give the most slack to the drug companies. R&D isn't exactly cheap, I'd like better chemo drugs the next time I have to do that crap. We shouldn't need insurance, except for catastrophic stuff. If it cost $50 to visit the doc most people would just pay cash rather than the $300 a month per individual they are paying for insurance for splints now. And lawyers? Shakespeare has the right idea about them (Henry VI). I love good ol' Will.

 

 

R&D?

[AnderMocs]

 

Of the three I mentioned I give the most slack to the drug companies. R&D isn't exactly cheap, I'd like better chemo drugs the next time I have to do that crap. We shouldn't need insurance, except for catastrophic stuff. If it cost $50 to visit the doc most people would just pay cash rather than the $300 a month per individual they are paying for insurance for splints now. And lawyers? Shakespeare has the right idea about them (Henry VI). I love good ol' Will.

 

 

true, drugs cost a lot to make. but they do shady {censored} to keep prices high, like making a new version to warrant higher prices. and other countries are able to drive down costs. like the UK where drugs have a fixed price. and Cuba (I hate citing a michael moore film) where {censored} that costs a $100 in the states costs practically nothing.

 

I just don't understand why american citizens are so against paying less for insurance.

 

and don't get me started on the top tax bracket level. that {censored} drives me so insane. Top 5% of the population gets a break because they pay off people.

[Parah Salin]

Just like with every law/bill/proposal, it affects everyone in different ways.

[AnderMocs]

Find out what the impact will be on you, by answering a couple of simple questions (at link below): Do you currently have insurance Number of household members Annual Income Marital status http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/special/politics/what-health-bill-means-for-you/?nav=most_emailed

 

 

I put in my families situation (since I'm unemployed and on my parents health insurance). no change. not a big deal, we're fine.

[Faldoe]

This video outlines what the more sane people are concerned about. Basically it doesn't do enough, and it has nothing in the bill to prevent our premiums from rising even more. It's also a great thing for drug companies as Obama made a deal with them that we can't import our drugs for lower prices. Insurance companies get 30 million new customers, and the mandate without a cost cutting measures is a bad idea..

 

 

yes

[Brian Marshall]

R&D?

 

 

and R&D is the biggest part of health care that NEEDS to be socialized. Pharma companies spend 90% of their research money trying to circumvent patents by moving one molecule here or there... essentially making the same drug, but different enough to file their own patent.

 

There's also huge misinformation campaigns about what needs to be researched and what doesn't. I'm not saying that breast cancer isn't bad, but I saw a poll a few years ago where most women said that breast cancer was the #1 killer of women.

 

No it's heart disease, just like it is for men.

[Marmoset King]

it totally is. watch some of the videos of the town hall meetings. It's all Glenn Beck lying rhetoric bull{censored}. Fox News is down right {censored}ing evil. It is sad where a comedy program like The Daily Show ({censored}ing love it) is just as if not more informative than actual news outlets. http://www.tompaine.com/articles/2006/10/10/the_daily_show_vs_the_nightly_news.php A study on the subject, I've seen others saying the same thing as well. When I want to read about the news I go to the BBC.

 

 

We have The Daily Show on one of our channels over here. To me it doesn't seem cutting enough, it's a little bit tame for my tastes. I prefer stuff we have here like Charlie Brooker's Newswipe, if you can get it over there it's worth watching. It's mainly British politics but there's also lots of commentary on the US too.

[Brian Marshall]

We have The Daily Show on one of our channels over here. To me it doesn't seem cutting enough, it's a little bit tame for my tastes. I prefer stuff we have here like Charlie Brooker's Newswipe, if you can get it over there it's worth watching. It's mainly British politics but there's also lots of commentary on the US too.

I'm sure we are portrayed in a flattering light...???? :lol:

[Marmoset King]

I'm sure we are portrayed in a flattering light...???? :lol:

Charlie Brooker is mainly made up of news clips with Charlie commenting throughout ... some of the Fox news stuff shown needs no added comedy, it's bizzare enough all by itself

[AnderMocs]

We have The Daily Show on one of our channels over here. To me it doesn't seem cutting enough, it's a little bit tame for my tastes. I prefer stuff we have here like Charlie Brooker's Newswipe, if you can get it over there it's worth watching. It's mainly British politics but there's also lots of commentary on the US too.

 

 

i've seen him online. dude is {censored}ing hilarious.

[Brian Marshall]

Charlie Brooker is mainly made up of news clips with Charlie commenting throughout ... some of the Fox news stuff shown needs no added comedy, it's bizzare enough all by itself

The fox news guys all have radio shows. They have to fill the air for 3 hours every day. there are way way more lulz on the radio shows.

[AnderMocs]

The fox news guys all have radio shows. They have to fill the air for 3 hours every day. there are way way more lulz on the radio shows.

 

 

oh {censored} yea, the radio shows are amazing. the tv shows are tame in comparison.

[tubescreamer316]

entitlement

[Phil O'Keefe]

Political thread is political - But I'll let it ride for a while IF everyone tones down the "the other side are idiots! " type remarks.

 

IMHO, health care reform is something both sides largely agree is desperately needed. The left likes to say the right is "against it", while the right likes to characterize the left as "taking the first step towards communism". Neither is fair - nor accurate IMO.

 

I do see some potential problems with the current bill, and I don't think many people find it "ideal" - on either "side".

 

First of all, there will be constitutional issues that come up - I predict this is headed right to the SCOTUS due to the debate over the commerce clause vs the state's rights and individual mandates. It will be argued on 1st, 9th and 10th Amendment grounds. Never before has the government required you to purchase something specific as a condition of living. What if someone is opposed to "medical treatment" on religious grounds? There are some out there who are... I'm not one of them, but should the Jehovah's Witnesses and Christian Scientists of the US have to pay for something they are religiously opposed to using? I have not seen that brought up in the press yet, but I can't imagine it won't come up in the courts eventually.

 

I think there are definitely some GOOD things in the bill. For example, it's a travesty when insurance companies (and I am not, nor have I EVER been a big fan of the insurance industry) take your money for years, and as soon as you file a claim for something, they cancel your policy - or jack your rates up to the moon. That's being addressed. Pre-existing conditions will no longer be grounds to deny someone coverage - again, a very good thing.

 

But some things were not addressed at all. And I suspect they specifically were not because of the bias of the politicians on BOTH sides. The Republicans like to talk a good game and say there should be "tort reform", and I agree - there SHOULD be. Lawyers make a killing on class action lawsuits and the victims - the people they're representing - get a pittance, and the rest of us pay higher costs in terms of insurance and health coverage. But when push comes to shove, neither side is going to pass that, because the vast majority of them are lawyers themselves - an obvious conflict of interest; but you'll never see any of them recuse themselves from a vote on the issue due to having a vested interest in the matter.

 

They had a good point about insurance across state lines too IMHO - if you want lower prices, increase competition. Seems to make sense to me, and I have no idea why they didn't put that into the final bill. Probably due to insurance company lobbying.

 

I REALLY hated all the "deals" they were trying to cut over this. If one State gets a break on something, they'll go after it on Constitutional grounds - you can't pass a Federal law that gives preference to one state over the others. It was a bad idea, and reall bad PR on the Dems side to even suggest or attempt it, even though as I understand it, all of those "deals" are supposed to be gone in the final law.

 

Costs and deficit spending are two of my biggest concerns with this whole thing. We really did need to do something to try to curb the insanity of ever increasing health care costs, and I don't think this bill is going to fully address that issue. Plus, it's possibly going to result in increased costs for business owners and individuals. Only time will tell how that all turns out - but I don't think it's going to be as rosy as the Democrats would like us to believe... and probably not as horrible as the Republicans want us to believe.

 

I think it's great and noble that we're going to try to do something to get the uninsured covered, but I don't think this bill went far enough - and in other ways, it went too far.

 

YMMV on all of this, and it probably does, and I respect that. But unless you've read the entire bill, please don't try to tell me you have all the answers and a full understanding of the whole thing. I for one freely admit I do not.

 

Like I said, please keep it civil, or this will be sent straight to Poli.

[RUExp?]

The part I find odd is the whole mandatory insurance thing.

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Charlie Brooker is mainly made up of news clips with Charlie commenting throughout ... some of the Fox news stuff shown needs no added comedy, it's bizzare enough all by itself

 

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