Members MrChrisos Posted August 10, 2012 Members Share Posted August 10, 2012 Adam Yauch got me thinking about this. (article here) I've gone backwards and forward over this for years. And before people jump in with the anti-capitalist banners - my girlfriend owes her signing, launch and ability to work on her music full time and fully financed, to advertising. Kind of an opposite to the playing-for-free thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members jordanjordan Posted August 10, 2012 Members Share Posted August 10, 2012 In principle, I'm against it. But compared to being on a major label in this day and age, It does provide a lot of freedom. If you need then money then go for it, but these bands who are already loaded and insist on selling their songs to virtually any advertisement, that is different i think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Cirrus Posted August 10, 2012 Members Share Posted August 10, 2012 I think it's totally fine. Do what you want with it, if you can make some money from your art I've got nothing but respect for you. Some people consider it selling out but I think that's a childish view. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members MrChrisos Posted August 10, 2012 Author Members Share Posted August 10, 2012 Being paid well for great exposure's pretty amazing, but I don't like the idea of someone hearing my music and thinking of Homebase or something. I guess it's not black and white though, labels ask if there's anything you wouldn't consider, like Shell oil or dogfood. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members oinkbanana Posted August 10, 2012 Members Share Posted August 10, 2012 as for my music being used: "that's not gonna help your product sell any units" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Tremster Posted August 10, 2012 Members Share Posted August 10, 2012 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dgUWTquztGY 00:20 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members renula Posted August 10, 2012 Members Share Posted August 10, 2012 Im up for it. More power to you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members MrChrisos Posted August 10, 2012 Author Members Share Posted August 10, 2012 00:20 I knew this one was coming.... I actually think advertising needs a lot more regulation - but in a society where the vast majority of people feel entitled to getting things for free, advertising tends to foot the bill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members V Posted August 10, 2012 Members Share Posted August 10, 2012 I don't have a problem with it as long as it's not for some reprehensible product/company. I've written for/liscenced stuff to a coffee shop in the past, for example. I like coffee shops, so why not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members V Posted August 10, 2012 Members Share Posted August 10, 2012 I think the problem is more when labels used to just ok your music being in something and not tell the artist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members bieke Posted August 10, 2012 Members Share Posted August 10, 2012 I think the problem is more when labels used to just ok your music being in something and not tell the artist. well, this is standard practice, or at least all of the contracts I have seen have a Clause dedicated to the label, publisher or record company having the right to exploit the music for use in commercials, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members nomenclature Posted August 10, 2012 Members Share Posted August 10, 2012 if it was for a product I use and could stand behind, sure. no politics or causes. I also don't agree with labels selling music to ads without the artists consent, or family of dead musicians cashing in and selling the music/likeness for things the artist would be totally against. that said, if tampax/pampers/Ron Paul/the RIAA/japanese whaling fleets/whatever turned around and offered 25 million to use my song as anthem, {censored} it, I'll take the money and never play the track again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members TomCTC Posted August 10, 2012 Members Share Posted August 10, 2012 Jack Conte'd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members H.P. Lovecraft Posted August 10, 2012 Members Share Posted August 10, 2012 At a time when the radio seems to only play Nickelback and MTV no longer stands for music it's pretty much the only way for a band to get their material out there. As for the whole "selling out" thing, yeah, I don't agree with it but it's like that Tool song says, "I sold out a long time ago." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members MrChrisos Posted August 10, 2012 Author Members Share Posted August 10, 2012 I was at a charity event a few years back. These two opera singers came on stage (I've little clue about opera) and sang the fantastic two part aria - it was truly stunning. Buy I can guarentee you, 99% of the people in there couldn't help but think of British Airways. That I struggle with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ambient Posted August 10, 2012 Members Share Posted August 10, 2012 I sold my soul to make a record. Then you bought one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members CicadaSilence Posted August 10, 2012 Members Share Posted August 10, 2012 It doesn't matter. Everything's graffiti anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members percyexpat Posted August 10, 2012 Members Share Posted August 10, 2012 I've always thought that if someone asked to use my music for an advert I'd refuse but say that they could commission me to write something for them. I think that if you're writing for art's sake then that shouldn't be sold out. But then we've all got to eat and there's nothing wrong with writing for money. It's just that the two things should be kept separate. Now, of course, no one is ever going to ask to use my music but it's nice to know that I've thought it through, just in case... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Aristotle Posted August 10, 2012 Members Share Posted August 10, 2012 00:20 Hick's was taking about this {censored}: [video=youtube;6-iTaZGzbd8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-iTaZGzbd8 But I don't think having your music played in a Volvo commercial is the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Pedaltones Posted August 10, 2012 Members Share Posted August 10, 2012 I susupect most of the 'I'd never sell out' brigade's skyward noses would come snuffling to the muck quickly enough at the first waft of currency. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members onyxrhino Posted August 10, 2012 Members Share Posted August 10, 2012 It's something I'll never have to worry about, but I'm against it. It's weird these days. No one has even basic principles. It used to be that famous actors would go to Japan to make commercials, because it seemed like a kind of tacky and money grubbing thing to do. But these days, no one cares. I see famous actors (or hear their voice-overs) pitching {censored} on my television all the time. I guess it's not enough to make millions doing your first job, might as well get some extra work too, pad your bank account some more and make sure another actor doesn't get a payday. No one even pretends to be about anything other than money anymore. And that's fine, enjoy your money. But then, on the flip side, don't expect me to consider you an "artist" or respect your craft or anything like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members MrChrisos Posted August 10, 2012 Author Members Share Posted August 10, 2012 I think art and Money's a funny one that won't ever be solved. Much of the greatest art in history - Michelangelo to Mozart, was comissioned by those with the money. It was the church, then earls, nowadays it's the corporations. From that perspective things could be a lot worse. I also think there's a lot of myth about the art & principles think. Jesus, look at Damien Hurst. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Will Chen Posted August 10, 2012 Members Share Posted August 10, 2012 I'm 1,000% for it in every way possible. The fear of "sellout" is largely an idealistic thing in youth culture. When I was a teen I was notorious for labeling other musicians as sell outs for playing in cover bands and doing pop music. As I've gotten older I realize that a true sell out isn't the one who choose to capitalize on their music ability, but the one who choose the safer career path because it was too hard to make it chasing their dream. One of the guys I used to poke fun at in high school is now a very accomplished studio musician who's toured the world with several different top 40 acts and been on national television a number of times. He's not the sell out, he's the smart one who gets to play guitar for a living day in and out. I'm the sell out, sitting in a cube dreaming of the 30 minutes tonight when I'll get to play a little. My advice to you young guns: play as often with as many people in as many different style as you can and rarely if ever turn down a gig. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members onyxrhino Posted August 10, 2012 Members Share Posted August 10, 2012 I think art and Money's a funny one that won't ever be solved. Much of the greatest art in history - Michelangelo to Mozart, was comissioned by those with the money. It was the church, then earls, nowadays it's the corporations. From that perspective things could be a lot worse. I think you are confusing popular art with advertising (which is easy to do, as people search for more ways to turn a bigger profit, the two are being merged). Most popular art is commissioned by people with money. Every film you see was commissioned by people with money. But it was most likely made for the enjoyment of the masses. That car or cell phone commercial was made to sell the masses a product or service by any means necessary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Trick Fall Posted August 10, 2012 Members Share Posted August 10, 2012 I have a hard time envisioning myself turning down the cash unless it was for something I really despised and even then I'm not so sure I'd say no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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