Members Scott Fonseca Posted February 11, 2008 Members Share Posted February 11, 2008 Really, what model. Generally solid wood is better than laminate but not necessarily always. I had a Parkwood 310M that was all solid wood it was a good guitar but not a great one and then bought a Blueridge BR-240 which is a much nicer guitar with better tone and is closer to a great one. But then again it's made with better materials. It's a Silver Creek, I am thinking about getting one, good price and all that, you know? And they do have a return policy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members OldGuitarPlayer Posted February 11, 2008 Members Share Posted February 11, 2008 You Zager guys view any negative comments towards Denny as an insult towards you and your guitars. I don't get it. Yeah...you don't see me losing it everytime someone makes a negative comment about Taylor guitars do you?...Anyhow..this thread has made me take out the old Sigma and give it a little attention. She's been in her case for a few months and was feeling neglected.I think sometime this week I'll get some sandpaper and lower the saddle a little. Thanks guys!!!OGP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Scott Fonseca Posted February 11, 2008 Members Share Posted February 11, 2008 Yeah...you don't see me losing it everytime someone makes a negative comment about Taylor guitars do you?... Anyhow..this thread has made me take out the old Sigma and give it a little attention. She's been in her case for a few months and was feeling neglected. I think sometime this week I'll get some sandpaper and lower the saddle a little. Thanks guys!!! OGP Any thread that makes you give your git some attention is a good thread IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Cripes Posted February 11, 2008 Members Share Posted February 11, 2008 P.S. Why does it matter if other people don't like it if you like it? Man, I went whirly-gig when I first read this. Then I re-read it inserting a comma after "...don't like it[,]..." and thought better of it. I'm not gonna read this entire thread. Knocks mentions Crazytown so I won't look for the road signs. That said, I'm guessing that Commies don't condone the use of Zager guitars because they are the tools of the capitalist pig anarchists. I never knew this. This forum is amazing. Conversely, members of the Free World (after selling tickets and subliminimally ushering attendees past the concession stands) have become convinced about the worthiness of the Zager influence, albeit in unconvincing verbage. That about right? Which side am I on, BTW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Hudman Posted February 11, 2008 Members Share Posted February 11, 2008 I see you can dish it out but can't take it. I will put my Zager up against the guitars you have. It will fair very well against your Larrivee OM-03R which is a decent guitar. I suspect it will kick the Alvarez butt. Only difference is we are comparing apples and oranges as the Zager is rosewood. I've actually played the Larrivee but not the Alvarez though I have played other Alvarez and have owned the RD20SC.I prefer the tone of Mahogany to rosewood and it appears you do also. I like the more balanced tone but for some songs rosewood is hard to beat.I have no desire to create an enemy here but you know I was just answering a guys question and got piled on. My Larrivee OM-03R is all solid wood: Spruce top, rosewood sides and back, mahogany neck, maple bindings, ebony fret board and bridge. Several of the posters here bought it for me as a gift. I guess they don't think I'm the bad guy you think I am. The dealer they bought it from was familiar with the way I like my guitars set up and the strings I like from my previous dealings with him. He set it up free of charge prior to shipping it. My Alvarez is my beater guitar. It's slightly smaller than my OM. It has a solid mahogany top and laminate mahogany sides and back, mahogany neck, rosewood fretboard and rosewood bridge. It came with a nice Alvarez archtop case. It was a Xmas gift from my wife and kids. I carved a bone compensated saddle to replace the straight plastic saddle. I lowered the action at the nut and at the saddle. It plays as smooth as my Larrivee (it doesn't sound as good). I never questioned the quality of your Zager. Tone is subjective, fair market value of a set up is not. You missed the entire point in this thread. I will never understand why you came in swinging. You need to soften your approach if you want to be taken seriously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Hudman Posted February 11, 2008 Members Share Posted February 11, 2008 ..." and thought better of it. I'm not gonna read this entire thread. Knocks mentions Crazytown so I won't look for the road signs. That said, I'm guessing that Commies don't condone the use of Zager guitars because they are the tools of the capitalist pig anarchists. I never knew this. This forum is amazing. Conversely, members of the Free World (after selling tickets and subliminimally ushering attendees past the concession stands) have become convinced about the worthiness of the Zager influence, albeit in unconvincing verbage. That about right? Which side am I on, BTW. Smart move. I'm dumber after participating in it. I'm an American, I claim to be a capitalist yet believe in some socialist ideas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Scott Fonseca Posted February 11, 2008 Members Share Posted February 11, 2008 Smart move. I'm dumber after participating in it. I'm an American, I claim to be a capitalist yet believe in some socialist ideas. Capitalism is what gives us the great guitars of today. Capitalism's driving force is competition. Think about it, if there was only one guitar company, they could make crap, and that is what we would be dealing with. But, thank God, we have CHOICES!!!! Really, you can look at almost any industry (not oil, down with big oil!), and see where competition helped the consumer get a better product, and maybe even for cheaper. However, we do need the federal goverment to rein in monopolies. So I guess that is a little socialist However, as a player of cheap guitars, I mus admit, I love capitalism! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Cripes Posted February 11, 2008 Members Share Posted February 11, 2008 Smart move. I'm dumber after participating in it. I'm an American, I claim to be a capitalist yet believe in some socialist ideas. I'm going to capilize and socialize with one of these:http://www.guillemot-kayaks.com/guillemot/GI had thought about building a guitar but this looks like a helluva lot more fun to build and use. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Hudman Posted February 11, 2008 Members Share Posted February 11, 2008 I'm going to capilize and socialize with one of these: http://www.guillemot-kayaks.com/guillemot/G I had thought about building a guitar but this looks like a helluva lot more fun to build and use. That looks like a challenge to build and operate. I think i would end up looking at the bottom of the river if I got in a kayak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members kwakatak Posted February 11, 2008 Members Share Posted February 11, 2008 There are some tricky links in this website:The resulting page that the link for "Martin DM Acoustic" takes you to. http://www.zagerguitar.com/index.php?event=public.guitars.models&model=dm1&id=19The link for "E-Z Play Modified" which is a pop-up window. http://www.zagerguitar.com/index.php?event=public.store.guitars.feature&id=25 The EZ-Play Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members OldGuitarPlayer Posted February 11, 2008 Members Share Posted February 11, 2008 This thread is fun. Here's an interesting link that should add some fire to the debate! :poke: http://www.usedprice.com/dropdown.php?catname=musical_instrument&mfrid=4367&typeid=149&catname=musical_instrument&itemid=&query=DM&x=55&y=14 It doesn't show you the prices of the guitars though..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members denvertrakker Posted February 11, 2008 Members Share Posted February 11, 2008 I'm not a Marxist. I am. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Scott Fonseca Posted February 11, 2008 Members Share Posted February 11, 2008 I am. priceless, got to love the brothers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Cripes Posted February 11, 2008 Members Share Posted February 11, 2008 That looks like a challenge to build and operate. I think i would end up looking at the bottom of the river if I got in a kayak. Nah. You'd have a blast. This is one fast boat and very stable. I do not intend to shoot rapids with it. That would be with a plastic boat. This is just pure effortless serenity on a glassy lake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members TESmith Posted February 11, 2008 Author Members Share Posted February 11, 2008 WOW, I dont know if I should apologize or applaud for starting this thread.It was funny I had never heard of these guitars before, and allthough I do not yet play, I have had an interest in guitars off and on through out my life.I saw their ad and thought to myself if these guitars were so revolutionary (or maybe their super setup) then should their name be as spoken as Martin, Gibson, Fender, etc.......But Myself nor a few friends I asked had ever heard of them. I figured if I could get a reasonable answer about them it would be from this group.I do not know if the debates and interesting reading will continue or die, It has been interesting, If I knew it would have been this colorful, I would have made some popcorn, and kicked back in a more comfy chair.Hmmmm maybe all the banter in the 2 recent threads about these guitars should it be a sticky!Tim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Cripes Posted February 11, 2008 Members Share Posted February 11, 2008 WOW, I dont know if I should apologize or applaud for starting this thread. It was funny I had never heard of these guitars before, and allthough I do not yet play, I have had an interest in guitars off and on through out my life. I saw their ad and thought to myself if these guitars were so revolutionary (or maybe their super setup) then should their name be as spoken as Martin, Gibson, Fender, etc.......But Myself nor a few friends I asked had ever heard of them. I figured if I could get a reasonable answer about them it would be from this group. I do not know if the debates and interesting reading will continue or die, It has been interesting, If I knew it would have been this colorful, I would have made some popcorn, and kicked back in a more comfy chair. Hmmmm maybe all the banter in the 2 recent threads about these guitars should it be a sticky! Tim Nah. Don't let the thread die. The mods might kill it but it's a place to put off-topic stuff in the meantime. Never seen or played a Zager. Heard about it here and previously on this forum. Never read anything positive about the brand. Maybe others haven't either and that type of forum-programming might be at work here to a lesser or greater extent. You own one so that rises above anecdotal, to be sure. One thing that you don't have going here is the playing experience needed to give a credible critique of the guitar. So, the flavor of this thread suggests a less-than-newby touting a guitar brand without the benefit of objectivity. Kind of a rub, if you know what I mean. Regardless of that, I hope the guitar inspires you to learn and enjoy playing. That's all it's about anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members TCBronson Posted February 11, 2008 Members Share Posted February 11, 2008 WOW, I dont know if I should apologize or applaud for starting this thread. It was funny I had never heard of these guitars before, and allthough I do not yet play, I have had an interest in guitars off and on through out my life. I saw their ad and thought to myself if these guitars were so revolutionary (or maybe their super setup) then should their name be as spoken as Martin, Gibson, Fender, etc.......But Myself nor a few friends I asked had ever heard of them. I figured if I could get a reasonable answer about them it would be from this group. I do not know if the debates and interesting reading will continue or die, It has been interesting, If I knew it would have been this colorful, I would have made some popcorn, and kicked back in a more comfy chair. Hmmmm maybe all the banter in the 2 recent threads about these guitars should it be a sticky! Tim Your curiosity has to be pretty high after all these comments. I own a ZAD 80 and love it. You owe it to yourself to at least try one and report back here with your experience and opinion. If you don't like it you can send it back with no out of pocket expense. Again just my opinion based on my experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members happy-man Posted February 11, 2008 Members Share Posted February 11, 2008 Summary: valentsgrif has trouble following a simple post. He is a very bitter and angry individual that knows nothing about setting a guitar up. He believes in Denny Zager's magic "String Science". He hates "big names". Guitar Hack loves BOLD print and asking dumb questions. He is another angry Zager owner. valentsgrif and Guitar Hack LOVE their Zager guitars. They want the forum to love Zager guitars too. valentsgrif is becoming very obsessed with Hudman. Hudman is VERY happy they love their Zager guitars. Hudman thinks Zager / Sigma guitars are good but that Denny charges too much for the "String Science". Hudman knows "String Science" is a set up with wider string spacing at the nut. Hudman knows this because he can READ. Hudman knows any guitar tech can perform "String Science". Hudman isn't interested in buying a Zager. Hudman doesn't own any overpriced, big name guitars. Wow. It's obvious that I have WAY to much time on my hands. After an enjoyable afternoon with the 1st VOM I read though this entire thread. Hudman contributed my favorite entry.Guitar Hack, calling a Breadlove a "piece of junk" is very telling. I don't personally care for Breadloves, but I know enough about guitars to know that they are finely made instruments. The more you spout, the more foolish you look. You're having a meltdown. Take a look at this video to get an idea of how you are making yourself look. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members jd-drafter Posted February 11, 2008 Members Share Posted February 11, 2008 well after a few messages from denny jr. i guess- it seems that denny sr. hasn't setup a guitar in about 20 years...? the website sure makes it seem like he's still doing every one that goes out... i have a few of the messages i might post later- they also sent some links to video's that might be interesting- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members OldGuitarPlayer Posted February 11, 2008 Members Share Posted February 11, 2008 well after a few messages from denny jr. i guess- it seems that denny sr. hasn't setup a guitar in about 20 years...? the website sure makes it seem like he's still doing every one that goes out... i have a few of the messages i might post later- they also sent some links to video's that might be interesting- So....there are two "Denny's". Does that mean that all Denny Sr. does is play the guitars for the videos? Was Denny Jr. at least helpful with his replies? Did you get any feeling of evasiveness in response to your questions? You don't have to post his responses if you don't feel comfortable as after all they are private emails and it's not fair to Mr. Zager if he doesn't know you are going to post them on a public forum.Thanks for taking the initiative J.D. and doing this research.OGP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Samilyn Posted February 12, 2008 Members Share Posted February 12, 2008 Gee, I take a weekend off, come back and thread still hasn't bitten the dust. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Misha Posted February 12, 2008 Members Share Posted February 12, 2008 Days of our lives! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members OldGuitarPlayer Posted February 12, 2008 Members Share Posted February 12, 2008 Gee, I take a weekend off, come back and thread still hasn't bitten the dust. I know...good times eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members tmikey2102 Posted February 12, 2008 Members Share Posted February 12, 2008 I know I'm just a newb, but with 222 posts in this thread, I just had to throw my 2 cents in; it appears to me that these poor folks who have wasted good money on their Zagerized Sigmas are suffering a severe case of insecurity. If they were truly happy with the purchase that they had made, they wouldn't feel the need to spend countless hours justifying what they've done here. Have to say that I'm truly impressed by the amount of restraint shown here by all the members who have tried to talk some sense to the Zagerites. Think I'll join the popcorn brigade and watch this evening's performance. On with the show! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Cripes Posted February 12, 2008 Members Share Posted February 12, 2008 Sheesh. Hey, while we're on this tangent going nowhere, I have a weird experience with a Yamaha classical with onboards. Well, maybe not that weird. When I plug into an acoustic amp it sounds like a classical through an acoustic amp. Imagine that. Now, when I plug into a Behringer mini-mixer (UB802) and listen through headphones it sounds like an electric guitar - more than less - and I have no effects in the signal chain. Everything is set flat on the board. S'plain that one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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