Members TESmith Posted January 30, 2008 Members Share Posted January 30, 2008 Can any one tell me anything about these.......And are they any good? Tim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Hudman Posted January 30, 2008 Members Share Posted January 30, 2008 They get good reviews. I never had a chance to play one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members OldGuitarPlayer Posted January 30, 2008 Members Share Posted January 30, 2008 Here's a couple of threads to give you an idea.... http://acapella.harmony-central.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1846600&highlight=Zager http://acapella.harmony-central.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1821491&highlight=Zager My advice? Stay away...far away.... OGP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members TESmith Posted January 30, 2008 Author Members Share Posted January 30, 2008 Thank you for the links interesting and yes It looks like something to avoid! Tim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members AugTPD Posted January 30, 2008 Members Share Posted January 30, 2008 if you see a Zager turn and run, run fast, and far away..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Hudman Posted January 30, 2008 Members Share Posted January 30, 2008 The Epiphone Masterbilt EF-500M is a much better option for the same price ($499.00). The EF-500M has an OM body and features solid wood construction: solid spruce top and solid mahogany sides and back. It's an amazing guitar for the money. http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Epiphone-Masterbilt-EF500M-Fingerstyle-Acoustic-Guitar?sku=519060 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members AugTPD Posted January 30, 2008 Members Share Posted January 30, 2008 Good call on the Epiphone. Parkwood and Breedlove also make OM's in that price range that are nice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members knockwood Posted January 30, 2008 Members Share Posted January 30, 2008 They get good reviews. Why do you hate America? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members JasmineTea Posted January 30, 2008 Members Share Posted January 30, 2008 Why do you hate America?I've suspected Hud was a commie for some time now...where the hell are the mods when we need 'em? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members kwakatak Posted January 30, 2008 Members Share Posted January 30, 2008 They get good reviews. I never had a chance to play one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Hudman Posted January 30, 2008 Members Share Posted January 30, 2008 OK.... I was trying to be a nice, positive guy for a change. Besides, I knew my fellow peanut gallery members would save America and crush Zagerism. I got into a debate over Zager guitars with a couple Zager owners on the old Taylor forum. They pointed out the fact that Denny now has his own line of Zager guitars in addition to his Zagerfied Sigma guitars. I believe they are made in the same factory in China that builds Washburn. I actually found a bunch of good reviews on them. With that being said, I firmly believe they are grossly over-priced. That's why I chimed back in and suggested the Epi Masterbilt. No more mister nice guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members TESmith Posted January 30, 2008 Author Members Share Posted January 30, 2008 Well I am still getting a Larrivee,I thank you all for the info it was just that I discovered this line today, never read or heard of them before, so I wanted to ask to learn. Thanks againTim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Hudman Posted January 30, 2008 Members Share Posted January 30, 2008 Well I am still getting a Larrivee, I thank you all for the info it was just that I discovered this line today, never read or heard of them before, so I wanted to ask to learn. Thanks again Tim I recommended the Epiphone EF-500M because it's the same price as the Zager. I own a Larrivee OM-03R. I love it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members valentsgrif Posted January 30, 2008 Members Share Posted January 30, 2008 Hate to break your collective snob ass, headstock name loving bubbles, but I've played a couple and owned one Zager Zad 50 for two years.I bought it for $450, and I've never looked at another acoustic.Its made in Indonesia, not China.It's action was perfect for me out of the box.Its intonation was dead on, fret work and nut beyond what you'd get with a $50 "set up". It looks and sounds terrific, and has amazed expierenced guitarists in my family and professionals who who've actually played it. I've NEVER seen before an off the shelf guitar that played as well in this price range. I don't work for them but do own multiple higher end USA electrics and could spend more on a guitar if I wanted to. Is it a $250 guitar with a $200 set up? Who cares if it sounds right, plays right and is backed by a real USA address with real people on the phone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Hudman Posted January 30, 2008 Members Share Posted January 30, 2008 Hate to break your collective snob ass, headstock name loving bubbles, but I've played a couple and owned one Zager Zad 50 for two years. I bought it for $450, and I've never looked at another acoustic. Its made in Indonesia, not China. It's action was perfect for me out of the box. Its intonation was dead on, fret work and nut beyond what you'd get with a $50 "set up". It looks and sounds terrific, and has amazed expierenced guitarists in my family and professionals who who've actually played it. I've NEVER seen before an off the shelf guitar that played as well in this price range. I don't work for them but do own multiple higher end USA electrics and could spend more on a guitar if I wanted to. Is it a $250 guitar with a $200 set up? Who cares if it sounds right, plays right and is backed by a real USA address with real people on the phone? Zager Snob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members JerseyGuy Posted January 30, 2008 Members Share Posted January 30, 2008 I just LOVE it when someone asks on this forum about Zager guitars.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members babablowfish Posted January 31, 2008 Members Share Posted January 31, 2008 Hate to break your collective snob ass, headstock name loving bubbles, but I've played a couple and owned one Zager Zad 50 for two years.I bought it for $450, and I've never looked at another acoustic.Its made in Indonesia, not China.It's action was perfect for me out of the box.Its intonation was dead on, fret work and nut beyond what you'd get with a $50 "set up". It looks and sounds terrific, and has amazed expierenced guitarists in my family and professionals who who've actually played it. I've NEVER seen before an off the shelf guitar that played as well in this price range. I don't work for them but do own multiple higher end USA electrics and could spend more on a guitar if I wanted to. Is it a $250 guitar with a $200 set up? Who cares if it sounds right, plays right and is backed by a real USA address with real people on the phone? I played one once. It was OK but undistinguished sounding. Ironically, the action was very high. Having played one I have zero GAS for one. To each his own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members knockwood Posted January 31, 2008 Members Share Posted January 31, 2008 Hate to break your collective snob ass, headstock name loving bubbles, but I've played a couple and owned one Zager Zad 50 for two years.I bought it for $450, and I've never looked at another acoustic.Its made in Indonesia, not China.It's action was perfect for me out of the box.Its intonation was dead on, fret work and nut beyond what you'd get with a $50 "set up". It looks and sounds terrific, and has amazed expierenced guitarists in my family and professionals who who've actually played it. I've NEVER seen before an off the shelf guitar that played as well in this price range. I don't work for them but do own multiple higher end USA electrics and could spend more on a guitar if I wanted to. Is it a $250 guitar with a $200 set up? Who cares if it sounds right, plays right and is backed by a real USA address with real people on the phone? communiss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Scott Fonseca Posted January 31, 2008 Members Share Posted January 31, 2008 I still say, a Zagerized Esteban... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members knockwood Posted January 31, 2008 Members Share Posted January 31, 2008 I still say, a Zagerized Esteban... Zesteban. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Scott Fonseca Posted January 31, 2008 Members Share Posted January 31, 2008 Zesteban. Heck yeah, just like a Martin, really, trust the man with the Zorro hat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members knowspicker Posted January 31, 2008 Members Share Posted January 31, 2008 After 12 shots of Zagermeister they sound and play better than just about any guitar I've ever.... what was I saying? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Samilyn Posted January 31, 2008 Members Share Posted January 31, 2008 Heck yeah, just like a Martin, really, trust the man with the Zorro hat Yup - just like a Martin, after a few swigs of high-octane refreshment. Of course, that's about the time you think you're playing like Tommy and the bleach-blonde barfly starts looking like a hottie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members gzing2 Posted February 2, 2008 Members Share Posted February 2, 2008 I stumbled on Zager's web site, and decided on the ZAD 50 after considering the options, I really hadn't done any comparison shopping at this point. I figured for $450 and a 100% satisfaction guarantee there's nothing to lose. The guitar came quickly and it's appearance was excellent in spite of everyone's complaints about being made in Indonesia which is true. The quality of the finish and appointments were good for the money. Solid top with mahogany laminate back and sides, and white neck binding The guitar had a slightly wider than normal neck, X-light Martin DARCO strings. It came with a guitar stand, extra set of strings, picks, and WOW...a Polaroid picture of Denny Zager working on a guitar, oh yeah a T-shirt too! The guitar was very easy to play and easy on the fingers, but if you've been playing an acoustic for a while you'll find that the "String Science" really isn't necessary if your guitar has a decent setup and action. The guitar sounds fairly good to the untrained ear, but if you like to pound out the chords for a BIG sound, forget it. The setup and the guitar just isn't built for that type of play. If you are a very light handed player this guitar may work for you. After playing the guitar for a couple of days, I went to Guitar Center to try out the Martins. OH MY GOD!!! They blew the Zager away with beautiful sound and sustain, however I still maintain that the Zager looked very good at $450. Martins of course are priced into the thousands of dollars but I found a Martin model made for Guitar Center and Musicians Friend. Its called a Martin "Custom D", very spartan looking, no bells and whistles but INCREDIBLE sound. Spruce Top, SOLID Rosewood back & sides, and rosewood fretboard. All for $899 with Martin case at Musician's Friend Sure the Martin is priced higher but the sound is no comparison and isn't that what really matters?! I emailed Zager for a return, they issued a return UPS label at no cost to me, I returned the guitar and was given full credit no questions asked, a real class act on Zager's part. MAKE SURE YOU DO NOT REMOVE THE PICK GUARD PLASTIC, ZAGER OR WILL NOT HONOR THE GUARANTEE. There is no mention of this in his warranty statement If cost is of utmost importance to you, the Zager is a good buy, but for a modest amount more you can own a REAL Martin at an entry level price. I tried the D18, D-28, and D-45, the Custom D sounds very close to the high end Martins. To me the high end wasn't worth the extra $1-$2 thousand dollars more. Be sure to demo other guitars before jumping blindly as I did initially Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members OldGuitarPlayer Posted February 2, 2008 Members Share Posted February 2, 2008 I stumbled on Zager's web site, and decided on the ZAD 50 after considering the options, I really hadn't done any comparison shopping at this point. I figured for $450 and a 100% satisfaction guarantee there's nothing to lose. The guitar came quickly and it's appearance was excellent in spite of everyone's complaints about being made in Indonesia which is true. The quality of the finish and appointments were good for the money. Solid top with mahogany laminate back and sides, and white neck binding The guitar had a slightly wider than normal neck, X-light Martin DARCO strings. It came with a guitar stand, extra set of strings, picks, and WOW...a Poloroid picture of Denny Zager working on a guitar, oh yeah a T-shirt too! The guitar was very easy to play and easy on the fingers, but if you've been playing an acoustic for a while you'll find that the "String Science" really isn't necessary if your guitar has a decent setup and action. The guitar sounds fairly good to the untrained ear, but if you like to pound out the chords for a BIG sound, forget it. The setup and the guitar just isn't built for that type of play. If you are a very light handed player this guitar may work for you. After playing the guitar for a couple of days, I went to Guitar Center to try out the Martins. OH MY GOD!!! They blew the Zager away with beautiful sound and sustain, however I still maintain that the Zager looked very good at $450. Martins of course are priced into the thousands of dollars but I found a Martin model made for Guitar Center and Musicians Friend. Its called a Martin "Custom D", very spartan looking, no bells and whistles but INCREDIBLE sound. Spruce Top, SOLID Rosewood back & sides, and rosewood fretboard. All for $899 with Martin case at Musician's Friend Sure the Martin is priced higher but the sound is no comparison and isn't that what really matters?! I emailed Zager for a return, they issued a return UPS label at no cost to me, I returned the guitar and was given full credit no questions asked, a real class act on Zager's part. MAKE SURE YOU DO NOT REMOVE THE PICK GUARD PLASTIC, ZAGER OR WILL NOT HONOR THE GUARANTEE. There is no mention of this in his warranty statement If cost is of utmost importance to you, the Zager is a good buy, but for a modest amount more you can own a REAL Martin at an entry level price. I tried the D18, D-28, and D-45, the Custom D sounds very close to the high end Martins. To me the high end wasn't worth the extra $1-$2 thousand dollars more. Be sure to demo other guitars before jumping blindly as I did initially Thank you for your honest and thoughtful post. Having read the specs on the ZAD 50 it does look like a pretty nice guitar. Whether it's worth $500 I wouldn't know and won't bother to find out. My problem is not with the ZAD 50 but the guitar he promotes as the "Martin DM-1" for $495. This guitar is NOT a Martin and if you notice on Zager's website he doesn't show a close up of the front of the headstock to show that in fact the DM-1 is a Korean made all laminate guitar made by Sigma. Yes, this company was affiliated with Martin for many years but that is no more. The guitar that Mr. Zager promotes as a Martin DM1 is actually worth $100-$150...I know becuase I have a Sigma DM2 which I bought used in mint shape for $150. Simply put...Mr Zager is selling a $100 plywood guitar with $395 set-up.... This is a con job...look at the pics of the so called "Martin" guitar he is selling and look at those machine heads. Those tuners are junk and worth about $5.00. For $500 you can get an all solid Epiphone Masterbilt which is way more guitar than anything Zager sells at the same price. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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