Members fuzzylogic220 Posted September 15, 2009 Members Share Posted September 15, 2009 they have new fender american standards for the outstanding price of 1749...strats and teles. .....they rip ppl off so very badly i feel like standing outside thier store with a sign Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Faber Posted September 15, 2009 Members Share Posted September 15, 2009 Mom and pop stores never could compeed on price. It's not at all given that they "rip off" people if by that you mean that they have a greater profit. Maybe thy just cant get the discounds GC get from the manufacturers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Help!I'maRock! Posted September 15, 2009 Members Share Posted September 15, 2009 isn't that the MAP on MIA Fenders now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members jerry_picker Posted September 15, 2009 Members Share Posted September 15, 2009 I've had M&Ps tell me that their wholesale prices are sometimes higher than big-box retail prices. Most (all?) M&Ps survive on school band/orchestra rentals and service (repair and setups). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Help!I'maRock! Posted September 15, 2009 Members Share Posted September 15, 2009 I've had M&Ps tell me that their wholesale prices are sometimes higher than big-box retail prices. Most (all?) M&Ps survive on school band/orchestra rentals and service (repair and setups). not sometimes. always. you can buy strings in GC for less than the M&P's can get them wholesale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members JC777 Posted September 15, 2009 Members Share Posted September 15, 2009 not sometimes. always. you can buy strings in GC for less than the M&P's can get them wholesale. They should supply their stores with GC merch. It's a winwin cheaper prices and dwindling the competitions supply. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members BG76 Posted September 15, 2009 Members Share Posted September 15, 2009 The reason I don't really mind GC is that I remember how awfull the majority of "Mom and Pop" stores were. The couple small stores that treated people right are still open and doing well. The ones that sold at List (not MAP, but LIST) are all gone. I remember three or four Strats (black, white, red and burst) MAYBE a Tele. Want something different? 10% down (non-refundable) special order (at LIST) and a 6 - ? month wait. Don't like it when it comes in? Tough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members kmarsh Posted September 15, 2009 Members Share Posted September 15, 2009 ....Most (all?) M&Ps survive on school band/orchestra rentals and service (repair and setups). ... and lessons, in the case of my M&P. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members NeutrinoYYZ Posted September 15, 2009 Members Share Posted September 15, 2009 I buy a lot of stuff at a smaller shop in the area. They price match the internet for anything though and they have an AMAZING service dept with a great tech that blows away what I can find at GC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Help!I'maRock! Posted September 15, 2009 Members Share Posted September 15, 2009 i teach at an M&P. you can't compete with GC, not even on the Strat packs. its all lessons, rentals, and repairs. lessons keep the doors open. rentals keep the school kids coming to you, and maybe taking lessons. repairs, especially guitar and amp repairs, keep the local bands coming in to buy accessories. fill out the niches the big guys simply can't do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Scoogs Posted September 15, 2009 Members Share Posted September 15, 2009 It's Mom's fault. She's such a bitch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members steve_man Posted September 15, 2009 Members Share Posted September 15, 2009 isn't that the MAP on MIA Fenders now? No, that's list price...big difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members superdistortion Posted September 15, 2009 Members Share Posted September 15, 2009 I'd buy more guitars from them if they had better stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frets99 Posted September 15, 2009 Share Posted September 15, 2009 If they get divorced do I go to the Ms first or Ps first for thanksgiving dinner? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members pixelchemist Posted September 15, 2009 Members Share Posted September 15, 2009 i try to shop mom and pop as much as possible... but when it comes to buying new gear... i go to the big box stores... as much as i would love to just go to the local music store for that stuff I am not going to pay substantially more for something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members mhuxtable Posted September 15, 2009 Members Share Posted September 15, 2009 I guess I am so lucky to have an amazing local store. It is very small place dealing in mostly (reasonably priced) vintage stuff & custom built guitars & amps. They will match any price I find if I find a cheaper price & are a WEALTH of information. Plus their repairs & setups are better than any place I have ever been. They are an Electro Haromonix, Pigtronix and George L dealer, so I can actually get a lot of pedals that I cannot find anywhere else at the cheapest price (in fact they give me a discount because I frequent there so much! They told me they'd sell me the new EHx Cathedral for $199 instead of the $214 everywhere else). I am a lucky boy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Riggins Posted September 15, 2009 Members Share Posted September 15, 2009 unfortunately the guitar and amp manufacturers don't have the same kind of price regulation that manufacturers like Monster Cables and such have. They require any store, no matter how big or small to sell for the same price. At least that's what I've been told by friends who work at a local mid sized music store (Seminole Music and Sound in Seminole, FL).They have a few items that are regulated like that, but it all seems to be small stuff. Well, compared to guitars and amp prices anyway.I suppose if everything were regulated like that there'd be no incentive to become a big warehouse type store in the first place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Help!I'maRock! Posted September 15, 2009 Members Share Posted September 15, 2009 No, that's list price...big difference. very big difference. i wasn't sure. i stopped keeping track of Fender's pricing schedule. still, that's $1350 for an American Standard. at that price, i'm building a Warmoth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members leftyDaveZ Posted September 15, 2009 Members Share Posted September 15, 2009 Damn I bought my 2008 MIA for $899 at a Non GC store last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members sk8centilli Posted September 15, 2009 Members Share Posted September 15, 2009 It's Mom's fault. She's such a bitch. Haha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members crashclc Posted September 15, 2009 Members Share Posted September 15, 2009 The M&P stores are getting crushed because they don't have the buying power of the big retailers. For example, here's a little known fact: when Fender raised their prices across the board earlier this year they raised the wholesale price the M&Ps pay for their gear. When Fender had to back down on their increases because their sales tanked, they just reduced the MAP price and left the wholesale price where it was. That raised Fender's margins and cut the M&Ps margins even thinner. I have a good friend who runs a very decent M&P store and he's struggling. There are a few other local M&Ps that I visit now and then and they are also struggling. Not even GC is carrying the kind of stock they used to so the economy is hurting everyone. If you have a local M&P where you can buy gear and that you have a positive relationship with, would you rather see them stay in business or would you prefer to save a buck on a pack of strings and let the big corporate guy win? For me, I get more out of my buddy's store than I ever spend there just by being able to go and hang out and play. And I get great prices on gear too. It is an easy choice for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Dogsinotpalc Posted September 15, 2009 Members Share Posted September 15, 2009 Most of the equipment I've purchased in my life has been from Mom and Pops. What's more I always got a better deal from them I could at any of 48th Street shops, including Sam Ash. I used to get 35 - 40% off at the stores I went to (mostly 40%). Now the prices are even more inflated and the stores and manufacturers are in collusion and all agree on 25% that we're supposed to be good with? You can't advertise lower and I've heard that if you sell lower than the big stores you run the risk of losing your dealership privileges...WTF is THAT all about. Fortunately I'm very pleased with the equipment I have amassed. My Amp is 15 years old and my "newest" guitar is seven years old. Most of what I've got I acquired between 1990 and 1997. I look back at it as golden era for quality, variety, versatility, and price for American made guitars. And the Japan had basically equaled the quality at a better price point. Now you get too many companies starting import lines as much as reason to increase the price of the US made stuff as it is to provide an affordable import version of their guitars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members volvo1800 Posted September 15, 2009 Members Share Posted September 15, 2009 Most of my mom and pop shops dont deal in new fenders or gibsons for that very reason. Used ofcourse plus ibanez and other companies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Dogsinotpalc Posted September 15, 2009 Members Share Posted September 15, 2009 If you have a local M&P where you can buy gear and that you have a positive relationship with, would you rather see them stay in business or would you prefer to save a buck on a pack of strings and let the big corporate guy win? For me, I get more out of my buddy's store than I ever spend there just by being able to go and hang out and play. And I get great prices on gear too. It is an easy choice for me. I think the proliferation of Walmart answers this question when it comes to the purchasing philosophy of the average American consumer. I bought one instrument at GC because they were the only folks that had it. I wished I bought a different one from a local store, not too long after. I'm all about the M&P music store, where the owners are the sales staff and they have a wealth knowledge about the gear they sell and music in general. I've had salespeople talk me into buying "lesser" gear because they knew the basic or "standard" version was just as good and often better than the "deluxe" or "custom" or signature, etc. When some manufacturers started charging for cases, they'd give them to you because they saw as part of your right when you shell out hundreds of dollars for a guitar. As a kid, the M&Ps helped me get over focusing on the aesthetics of an instrument appreciate the sound. They knew how to make a customer for life and how to treat them. And since they all couldn't carry every brand, I got to spread my love around. One place had G&L and another had Ibanez, so I got the guitars I wanted from where they were available and bought more from each store. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members blazingblake Posted September 15, 2009 Members Share Posted September 15, 2009 My favorite local shop I bought a squire strat a couple of years agoi they have decent prices I usually just get strings and straps accessories. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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