Members burdizzos Posted February 23, 2009 Author Members Share Posted February 23, 2009 Meh, the next group of mod-bots will be equally horrible. Unless they put BOALG in charge, then it will be all awesome, all of the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members catphish Posted February 24, 2009 Members Share Posted February 24, 2009 There is no {censored}ing way that I would give bar patrons a tablet laptop and allow them to write across the screen. The least of my concerns would be what messages appear on-screen. I was thinking a person with the band who enters the notes. It would be a very cool way to get the patrons involved in the show, but I understand it's not autonomous like the rest of your set up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members catphish Posted February 24, 2009 Members Share Posted February 24, 2009 Amen. You're looking forward to hearing what I really think as much as I am to telling you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members burdizzos Posted February 24, 2009 Author Members Share Posted February 24, 2009 I was thinking a person with the band who enters the notes. It would be a very cool way to get the patrons involved in the show, but I understand it's not autonomous like the rest of your set up. Oh hell no. You don't actually expect me to speak with the bar patrons, do you? Buy seriously, I work on the front end and back end of a gig. Once we're playing, I'm in performer mode and don't like to think about anything but playing the show and making sure people are having a good time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Thunderbroom Posted February 24, 2009 Members Share Posted February 24, 2009 You're looking forward to hearing what I really think as much as I am to telling you. This sh!t's gonna get good. Patience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members 82Daion Posted February 24, 2009 Members Share Posted February 24, 2009 Since Geddy has been brought up, I have to say that the last two times I've seen Rush, incredible shows BTW, the sound was horrible. +1 The shed-style venue that bnyswonger and I caught them at didn't help much, either. You couldn't hear much, if any bass-there was just this big, overdriven low-end wash. There's no reason that an ampless setup with a good PA wouldn't work for a hard-rock gig in a bar. It all comes down to who's behind the board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members 82Daion Posted February 24, 2009 Members Share Posted February 24, 2009 WTF, man. That's sacrilegious. Use it for a computer monitor or something. Large televisions don't generally work well as computer monitors unless you're viewing them from the same distance you would if it were set up as a television. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Roguetitan Posted February 24, 2009 Members Share Posted February 24, 2009 IEM's are really the best way to go if you can get the band to go for it. It eliminates the problem of sounding like the sound is coming out of a can when you have stage volume issues IE the guitard and bassist want to try to get their amps cranking louder than the mains then the singer wants more volume in the stage monitor in order to hear over the guitard and basstard which can cause a real cluster{censored}. Ya I agree 100% with burdizzos on this one:thu: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members burdizzos Posted February 24, 2009 Author Members Share Posted February 24, 2009 IEM's are really the best way to go if you can get the band to go for it. It eliminates the problem of sounding like the sound is coming out of a can when you have stage volume issues IE the guitard and bassist want to try to get their amps cranking louder than the mains then the singer wants more volume in the stage monitor in order to hear over the guitard and basstard which can cause a real cluster{censored}. Ya I agree 100% with burdizzos on this one:thu: Pfft, way to bring the thread back on topic, the derailment was so much more interesting. The Catch-22 here is that if you have guitards with volume issues, they are the last ones who will buy into an IEM setup. The guitarists who voluntarily go IEM are typically the guys who will gladly show up to the gig with a sub-30 watt tube combo and let the PA do the work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Thunderbroom Posted February 24, 2009 Members Share Posted February 24, 2009 The Catch-22 here is that if you have guitards with volume issues, they are the last ones who will buy into an IEM setup. The guitarists who voluntarily go IEM are typically the guys who will gladly show up to the gig with a sub-30 watt tube combo and let the PA do the work. This was EXACTLY my experience. The loud guitarist is gone and did argue against the IEMs when they were brought up. The new one plays through a 15w Fender Blue Junior but is on his way to going direct. The other guitarist never had volume issues but is now sans amp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators ThudMaker Posted February 24, 2009 Moderators Share Posted February 24, 2009 You're looking forward to hearing what I really think as much as I am to telling you. I'm sure it will make for an excellent read for those of us who don't know what goes on behind the scene with moderation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Kindness Posted February 24, 2009 Moderators Share Posted February 24, 2009 This sh!t's gonna get good. Patience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Roguetitan Posted February 24, 2009 Members Share Posted February 24, 2009 This was EXACTLY my experience. The loud guitarist is gone and did argue against the IEMs when they were brought up. The new one plays through a 15w Fender Blue Junior but is on his way to going direct. The other guitarist never had volume issues but is now sans amp. My problem is I am the sound engineer and all of the band members think they know more about sound reinforcement than I do yet they think the gain on the channel strip is volume control:rolleyes: however I am ever so slowly getting them to understand the concept of stage volume verses what the audience hears. if it was my call the guitarists and bassist would plug into a Behringer V-Amp Pro and the drums would be triggered and everything would go directly from the stage breakout box to the to the console and I wont even get started on how it eliminates the hassle of setting up mics,and monitors and having to deal with feedback and all of the other issues that go along with using mics and floor wedges. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Roguetitan Posted February 24, 2009 Members Share Posted February 24, 2009 Pfft, way to bring the thread back on topic, the derailment was so much more interesting. OH {censored}:eek: I just now realized this thread was already 7 pages long sorry about getting the thread back on topic...My bad:o Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members gspointer Posted February 24, 2009 Members Share Posted February 24, 2009 My problem is I am the sound engineer and all of the band members think they know more about sound reinforcement than I do yet they think the gain on the channel strip is volume control:rolleyes: Ah, the ever popular "sweet spot" of the channel strip, using the trim pot for volume adjustments. I wish they would just make 'em without the faders,(save real-estate and cash, alps cost money) and tune them for the sweet spot at the factory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Roguetitan Posted February 24, 2009 Members Share Posted February 24, 2009 Ah, the ever popular "sweet spot" of the channel strip, using the trim pot for volume adjustments. I wish they would just make 'em without the faders,(save real-estate and cash, alps cost money) and tune them for the sweet spot at the factory. Ya Boi:facepalm: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Thunderbroom Posted February 24, 2009 Members Share Posted February 24, 2009 and I wont even get started on how it eliminates the hassle of setting up mics,and monitors and having to deal with feedback and all of the other issues that go along with using mics and floor wedges. Our regular engineer says that sound engineers tend to love bands with their own IEM system because the band is responsible for their own mix and won't spend half the night yelling for more me in the monitor. No pesky feedback either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Roguetitan Posted February 24, 2009 Members Share Posted February 24, 2009 Our regular engineer says that sound engineers tend to love bands with their own IEM system because the band is responsible for their own mix and won't spend half the night yelling for more me in the monitor. No pesky feedback either. LMAO Yes sir I understand that statement all too well:D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members collinwho Posted February 24, 2009 Members Share Posted February 24, 2009 if it was my call the guitarists and bassist would plug into a Behringer V-Amp Pro This is a horrible idea. I have a V-Amp Pro. I use it for scratch ideas when recording, but that is it. It just doesn't sound good enough for anything else. The effects are {censored}ty. The models are bad. There is almost no response to playing dynamics (this is what sets good modelers apart from the bad, generally), and there is a very noticeable drop whenever switching channels. I think it is an excellent idea for any band that is playing the whole night to switch to an IEM setup, but if it came down to IEM with a V-Amp or floor monitors with real amps, I would choose the real amps every time. The same preference doesn't hold true for the POD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Roguetitan Posted February 24, 2009 Members Share Posted February 24, 2009 This is a horrible idea. . there ya go:facepalm:... whatever:rolleyes:...YMMV:wave: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Thunderbroom Posted February 24, 2009 Members Share Posted February 24, 2009 Our keyboardist is going to play guitar on some of our new songs this Saturday. He bought one of those mini-PODS to rehearsal yesterday. He was using a Squier Tele > POD > EWI DI > Mixer. It sounded really sweet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Thunderbroom Posted February 24, 2009 Members Share Posted February 24, 2009 there ya go:facepalm:... whatever:rolleyes:...YMMV:wave: I tend to agree; however, I think the objection was to the Behringer and not amp modelers in general. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members collinwho Posted February 24, 2009 Members Share Posted February 24, 2009 I tend to agree; however, I think the objection was to the Behringer and not amp modelers in general. I suppose, since that is exactly what I said, that you are probably right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Kindness Posted February 24, 2009 Moderators Share Posted February 24, 2009 I suppose, since that is exactly what I said, that you are probably right. I'd also like to point out that IME you are also right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Thunderbroom Posted February 24, 2009 Members Share Posted February 24, 2009 I'd also like to point out that IME you are also right. Who do you think you are, Jazz Ad?!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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