Moderators Kindness Posted March 16, 2009 Moderators Share Posted March 16, 2009 I know he builds amps....that's why I thought his statements were outrageous and surprisingly wrong. Maybe you should ponder that idea for a while and see if there are alternative conclusions you might reach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Cliff Fiscal Posted March 16, 2009 Author Members Share Posted March 16, 2009 Maybe you should ponder that idea for a while and see if there are alternative conclusions you might reach. You're like a wordy magic 8 ball...... "Will Kindness go back and re-read his posts?" *shake shake shake* "Please inquire again, when your useless preponderance and short sighted nature have passed" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members wades_keys Posted March 16, 2009 Members Share Posted March 16, 2009 Magic 8 ball: Will JoshuaTSP be banned when kindness becomes a moderator?Shake, shakeSigns point to yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Kindness Posted March 16, 2009 Moderators Share Posted March 16, 2009 Magic 8 ball: Will JoshuaTSP be banned when kindness becomes a moderator? Shake, shake Signs point to yes. I'm already a moderator of this forum. I've taken over for JazzAd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Guttermouth Posted March 16, 2009 Members Share Posted March 16, 2009 NO! changing tubes IS routine maintenance! With extreme heavy usage, they may only last 6 months. Although, I bought a Traynor YGL-3a Mark III, and it had the original tubes.....30 years old, and sounded great. I've also had a brand new amp with brand new tubes go microphonic soon after bringing it home. So you never know with tubes...... i think the argument here stems from this statement. changing tubes IS maintenance but, not ROUTINE maintenance.there is no law saying that a tube will fail in a certain amount of time so unless the tube fails there is no reason to change it ( aside from trying to achieve certain "tonal" goals). most normal players don't have the experience needed to troubleshoot a tube amp at a gig so carrying a full set of tubes would be useless for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators ThudMaker Posted March 16, 2009 Moderators Share Posted March 16, 2009 Carrying backup tubes makes as much sense to me as carrying backup transistors. If an amp fails at a gig, you aren't going to fix it there, especially if you're the kind of guy that thinks putting new tubes in a failed circuit is "fixing" it........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members GRANKOR Posted March 16, 2009 Members Share Posted March 16, 2009 at least Josh is on topic unlike most of the dross that's posted here... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Kindness Posted March 16, 2009 Moderators Share Posted March 16, 2009 at least Josh is on topic unlike most of the dross that's posted here...It is a step in the right direction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Cliff Fiscal Posted March 16, 2009 Author Members Share Posted March 16, 2009 I agree with him in the fact that if an amp fails......yes, you're S.O.L. ...but a tube failing is most likely easy to fix on the spot if you have spares. ...you cannot predict how long tubes will last..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Kindness Posted March 16, 2009 Moderators Share Posted March 16, 2009 ...but a tube failing is most likely easy to fix on the spot if you have spares. Your answer to the question "ow do you know you have a failing/failed tube in the middle of a gig?" demonstrates perfectly why this is not the type of troubleshooting you do at a gig. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Cliff Fiscal Posted March 16, 2009 Author Members Share Posted March 16, 2009 Well, I'd rather have tube spares....just in case.....since it's more likely for a tube to fail......rather then the amp to fry. Having a spare amp is the quickest and easiest solution....that's for sure. That said, I'd rather have my main amp up and running....then have to use my spare. Are we arguing about agreeing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators ThudMaker Posted March 16, 2009 Moderators Share Posted March 16, 2009 Having a spare amp is the quickest and easiest solution....that's for sure. That said, I'd rather have my main amp up and running....then have to use my spare.As an audience member, do you really have to waste my time changing tubes, when it may not be a tube issue? Why not just grab your spare amp (or other backup plan to get your signal to the audience) instead? It'd take about a minute and a half to get that job done, absolute tops. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Kindness Posted March 16, 2009 Moderators Share Posted March 16, 2009 As an audience member, do you really have to waste my time changing tubes, when it may not be a tube issue? Wait guys, it'll just take me 5 minutes to get this up and running again... poof... hmmm... well there's another failed tube... thankfully I brought a spare spare... poof... maybe the problem isn't the failed tube after all - the tube is just the symptom... hmmm... just wait another minute for me to get my backup amp... Troubleshooting is not a "during the gig" activity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Cliff Fiscal Posted March 16, 2009 Author Members Share Posted March 16, 2009 I see your point...... I'm talking from a guitarist's perspective....... usually a main amp is tube, and the spare SS. So I'd avoid playing the SS guitar amp at all costs. Plus in the case of me replacing at tube at a gig.....the moron didn't bring a backup. So yeah, you're right.......none the less.....I would always carry spare tubes......just in case I do have time to swap them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members wades_keys Posted March 16, 2009 Members Share Posted March 16, 2009 I'm already a moderator of this forum. I've taken over for JazzAd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Kindness Posted March 16, 2009 Moderators Share Posted March 16, 2009 I see your point......I'm talking from a guitarist's perspective.......usually a main amp is tube, and the spare SS. So I'd avoid playing the SS guitar amp at all costs. What you have is a main amp and a "oh god, anything but that piece of {censored}!" amp. If you are worried about the reliability of your main amp you need a backup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Cliff Fiscal Posted March 16, 2009 Author Members Share Posted March 16, 2009 Who's ever really worried? I only take a backup because I want to avoid any potential issues. I've never had any problems though. ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Kindness Posted March 16, 2009 Moderators Share Posted March 16, 2009 Who's ever really worried? I only take a backup because I want to avoid any issues. I've never had any problems though. ever. And neither have most people with lots of experience. Which is the another reason your statement that changing tubes at a gig is routine makes no sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators ThudMaker Posted March 16, 2009 Moderators Share Posted March 16, 2009 I would be more than likely, if my amp failed to run direct to the board and have the house send a bunch of bass back to my monitor. It won't sound great or blow air up my rectum, but I'll get through the gig and troubleshoot when I get home. I feel no differently for a guitarist. If it fails, plug into an amp sim pedal or speaker sim DI and send it to the board. It's generally a spare because it's not your favorite. Well no other solution is going to be your favorite either, otherwise it would be your primary gig rig. Why pack a bunch of stuff to get through a gig that isn't necessary? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Cliff Fiscal Posted March 16, 2009 Author Members Share Posted March 16, 2009 Ah! Now I found our discrepancy! I'm sorry if I came off as sounding like tube swapping is routine at a gig. I meant changing tubes is standard tube amp maintenance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members fretless Posted March 16, 2009 Members Share Posted March 16, 2009 Kindness is right in that some tubes will last many years , good tubes can last many many years up to 25 or more even with a lot of use , now Biasing ,that is a routine maintenance procedure . I don't carry backup tubes myself but I have them I do however carry back up fuses . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Kindness Posted March 16, 2009 Moderators Share Posted March 16, 2009 Ah! Now I found our discrepancy! I'm sorry if I came off as sounding like tube swapping is routine at a gig. I meant changing tubes is standard tube amp maintenance. When tubes fail, it is standard to replace them. Sometimes that happens within minutes of installing a new tube, sometimes decades. However, when a tube fails, it is important to determine the cause of the failure. In some cases, a poorly manufactured tube is the cause. In some cases, the manner in which the tube is used in the circuit has worn the tube out over time. In other cases, something else in the amp is causing the problem. Of course one step in troubleshooting the amp could be to replace the tube in question, but even if that temporarily "solves" the problem, you still want to go through the amp and make sure it is functioning correctly. This isn't "routine" maintenance like changing strings or batteries in a pedal/bass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members J the D Posted March 16, 2009 Members Share Posted March 16, 2009 ...you cannot predict how long tubes will last..... Sorry, but that statement is uncategorically wrong. They give lots of indications that they aer failing. They start to break up much sooner and generally sound like crap. You can break a tube by handling the amp harshly. If you are doing that you probably don't need to be using tubes in the first place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Cliff Fiscal Posted March 16, 2009 Author Members Share Posted March 16, 2009 True. ...but sometimes....they just die. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members J the D Posted March 16, 2009 Members Share Posted March 16, 2009 True. ...but sometimes....they just die. Like I said earlier, been doing this for forty years and have never had a tube go out without it giving a lot of warning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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