Members Cliff Fiscal Posted March 15, 2009 Members Share Posted March 15, 2009 I just purchased a Ceriatone 1986 Bass (50w Plexi).......... ....anyone ever played through an old Marshall? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members gonzobassman Posted March 15, 2009 Members Share Posted March 15, 2009 I used to own a 100 watt Marshall "bass" head.The only difference in the "bass" head vs. the lead head was that the lead head had a gain knob.All I had was the normal Master volume. Back then we played loud as hell,and I never got that head over the 9:00 o'clock position! I would think with a fiftey watt version you could open it up a little more and get that world class Marshall sound! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Cliff Fiscal Posted March 15, 2009 Author Members Share Posted March 15, 2009 I've had a few amp threads recently and I was led to believe a 100w tube bass amp would not keep up with a 100w tube guitar amp. How would you characterize the tone?Why don't more bass players do this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Kindness Posted March 15, 2009 Moderators Share Posted March 15, 2009 Why don't more bass players do this? They don't know any better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members gonzobassman Posted March 15, 2009 Members Share Posted March 15, 2009 The tone... when I was able to open it up,and let it eat it sounded just like the "Running With the Devil" beginning.Turned down a little and it was a thick , full,killer tone.Of corse I was running 2-15s,and 1-18 back then!!! Lol Sometimes I wish I still had that head as they are just stupid expensive anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Cliff Fiscal Posted March 15, 2009 Author Members Share Posted March 15, 2009 If your goal is to keep up with a 100 watt guitar amp, you need to be a guitar player with a 100 watt guitar amp. If your goal is to keep up with a drummer (this should be your goal - along with retraining guitar players into recognizing the idiocy of diming 100 watt guitar amps), a 50 watt Marshall (which is really only 30 or so watts) into one or more efficient cabinets will do the trick. Good. They don't know any better. Like I said....."I was told".... That said, my drummer is fairly meat fisted...... Wasn't there a Mojo Marshall amp build thread here? Was that you? I can't remember? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members der oxenrig Posted March 15, 2009 Members Share Posted March 15, 2009 I used to own a 100 watt Marshall "bass" head.The only difference in the "bass" head vs. the lead head was that the lead head had a gain knob.All I had was the normal Master volume. Back then we played loud as hell,and I never got that head over the 9:00 o'clock position! I would think with a fiftey watt version you could open it up a little more and get that world class Marshall sound! Not quite. The bass versions only had a preamp volume (gain) and no "Master Volume." May seem trivial, but there is a HUGE difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members gonzobassman Posted March 15, 2009 Members Share Posted March 15, 2009 Not quite. The bass versions only had a preamp volume (gain) and no "Master Volume." May seem trivial, but there is a HUGE difference. That may be true. All I know for sure is there was only one volume knob.To me ,that makes it a master volume. And,you could not crank the "gain" and keep the master down to get that sound at a lower volume level,again making it a volume only control. Yea , I guess thats a HUGE difference! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Apendecto Posted March 15, 2009 Members Share Posted March 15, 2009 Terrible. Send it to me so I can get it out of your hair. Yo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members fretless Posted March 15, 2009 Members Share Posted March 15, 2009 Mine does nicely '73 JMP Lead "50" watt ,it has had the "bright" cap cut out and a few little tweaks here and there . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members swillhouse Posted March 15, 2009 Members Share Posted March 15, 2009 Mine does nicely '73 JMP Lead "50" watt ,it has had the "bright" cap cut out and a few little tweaks here and there . That is sexy:thu: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members fretless Posted March 15, 2009 Members Share Posted March 15, 2009 That is sexy:thu: in '73 they went from PTP to PCB , I just missed it , while they sound nearly the same the value $ is different Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members pickinatit Posted March 15, 2009 Members Share Posted March 15, 2009 I don't know about sound/tone, but I don't think 50 watts is going to cut it outside of the bedroom or maybe (I repeat maybe) rehearsal if you're playing with guitar/guitars and drums. Just my $ .02 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Cliff Fiscal Posted March 15, 2009 Author Members Share Posted March 15, 2009 Fretless......do you have any clips of that thing? Can it keep up with a band? I tried searching for some, but came up empty handed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members fretless Posted March 15, 2009 Members Share Posted March 15, 2009 yes , I used a Palmer DI for both of these , both bass and guitar went through that amp http://www.soundclick.com/bands/page_songInfo.cfm?bandID=840866&songID=6809438 http://www.soundclick.com/bands/page_songInfo.cfm?bandID=840866&songID=6809441 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Cliff Fiscal Posted March 15, 2009 Author Members Share Posted March 15, 2009 Wow....that sounds pretty damn good. Has a nice crunch to it in the second clip.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members fretless Posted March 15, 2009 Members Share Posted March 15, 2009 Wow....that sounds pretty damn good. Has a nice crunch to it in the second clip.... yeah it was turned up a good bit more for that , live I run it somewhere between the 2 , about 12:00 on the volume , the JMP 's are a little cleaner and you really got to crank them to get the breakup . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Cliff Fiscal Posted March 15, 2009 Author Members Share Posted March 15, 2009 So why are these dudes running 300w bass amps.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members walkerci Posted March 15, 2009 Members Share Posted March 15, 2009 So why are these dudes running 300w bass amps.... Guitards with 100W Splawn and 100W Peavey amps. That and to have a little headroom. I don't like running gear dimed for hours at a time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Cliff Fiscal Posted March 15, 2009 Author Members Share Posted March 15, 2009 That must be hard....to play with the dudes that crank high watt amps. I've seen posts in the maps thread of people cranking 200w guitar amps. They post videos and all you can hear is guitar......no drums or bass....just "Panama" over and over. 30w is plenty for most things in the guitar arena, minus good loud cleans. Me either.......I'm all about sounding good tonally, hitting the right volume for the venue, and sounding good as a complete band. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members fretless Posted March 15, 2009 Members Share Posted March 15, 2009 all true , and they always have too much bass in their sound , a 1/2 or full stack with a cranked Marshall pretty much dictates the bassist needs a huge rig to keep up , but few bars will tolerate that crap anymore . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members zbasstringer Posted March 15, 2009 Members Share Posted March 15, 2009 I love how most people think my 100 watt tube bass head won't do the trick, but I can't turn the volume knob past 12 o' clock, and the thing is, it sounds great with a small amount of drive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Kindness Posted March 15, 2009 Moderators Share Posted March 15, 2009 I love how most people think my 100 watt tube bass head won't do the trick, but I can't turn the volume knob past 12 o' clock, and the thing is, it sounds great with a small amount of drive. Sounds familiar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members zbasstringer Posted March 15, 2009 Members Share Posted March 15, 2009 Sounds familiar. Haha. Yeah, there was a guy who walked into the guitar center near me, and asked me if I thought 300 watts (all tube) would be enough to get over a drummer And yet I have massive GAS for a Mesa 400+ bass head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Kindness Posted March 15, 2009 Moderators Share Posted March 15, 2009 Haha. Yeah, there was a guy who walked into the guitar center near me, and asked me if I thought 300 watts (all tube) would be enough to get over a drummer And yet I have massive GAS for a Mesa 400+ bass head. What's the Mesa's output? About 225 watts or so? The difference in output between a 100 watt head and one like the Mesa isn't all that much. At that point it's all about features and tone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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