Moderators ThudMaker Posted April 20, 2009 Moderators Share Posted April 20, 2009 so what were the other hundred times for Am I supposed to know? Did I do the interrogating? Perhaps he reneged on his decision to "tell everything he knew." Why don't you ask the people in charge of the interrogations? It seems the new Administration has no problem giving away information that has no business being less than top secret. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Crescent Seven Posted April 20, 2009 Members Share Posted April 20, 2009 so what were the other hundred times for They were trying to get his social security number, but forgot that he doesn't have one. They're still going to send him welfare checks, though. C7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Roger in the sky Posted April 20, 2009 Members Share Posted April 20, 2009 Am I supposed to know? Did I do the interrogating? Perhaps he reneged on his decision to "tell everything he knew." Why don't you ask the people in charge of the interrogations? It seems the new Administration has no problem giving away information that has no business being less than top secret. my issue is do you really trust the people who say "oh yeah h told us everything in 30 seconds" any more than the one who say "they tried it 100 times and got nuthin" you really think any of them are impartial or honest? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members JeffBass Posted April 20, 2009 Members Share Posted April 20, 2009 We stopped following the rules against the Japanese when we found our beheaded soldiers with their hacked off genitalia stuffed in the their mouths. As for terrorist, they don't represent any country, they don't distiguish between their enemies or the innocents and they don't wear uniforms. They should not be afforded "Geneva Convention" rights. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators ThudMaker Posted April 20, 2009 Moderators Share Posted April 20, 2009 my issue is do you really trust the people who say "oh yeah h told us everything in 30 seconds" any more than the one who say "they tried it 100 times and got nuthin" you really think any of them are impartial or honest?The OP asked a question that suggested waterboarding wasn't effective. Giving it up at 35 seconds in to the process seems to have been effective. If you'd like to argue something other than what my position was, feel free to do so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members FreestyleIntruder Posted April 20, 2009 Members Share Posted April 20, 2009 During the Japanese occupation of Singapore the Double Tenth Incident occurred. This included waterboarding, by the method of binding or holding down the victim on his back, placing a cloth over his mouth and nose, and pouring water onto the cloth. In this version, interrogation continued during the torture, with the interrogators beating the victim if he did not reply and the victim swallowing water if he opened his mouth to answer or breathe. When the victim could ingest no more water, the interrogators would beat or jump on his distended stomach. It's {censored}ed up WHOEVER does it, IMHO. Not to mention the fact that, according to Thumper (who I think can safely be considered the forum's resident expert in this field) it just doesn't work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Thunderbroom Posted April 20, 2009 Author Members Share Posted April 20, 2009 The OP asked a question that suggested waterboarding wasn't effective. Giving it up at 35 seconds in to the process seems to have been effective. If you'd like to argue something other than what my position was, feel free to do so. So if he gave up everything he knew in 35 seconds, the other 100+ times were just to torture the guy?!? Seriously, if he gave it up after the first time, then why do it 100+ more times? I was of the mindset from the outset to go with "by any means necessary" relative to getting info from suspected terrorists; however, this reeks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Thumper Posted April 21, 2009 Members Share Posted April 21, 2009 Here we go again... My two cents: Torture usually doesn't work. The subject will get to the point when they'll say what they think the interrogator wants to hear, just to end the torture. We lose the moral high ground when we resort to the same methods used by our enemies. I served as a human intelligence officer in the Balkans in the late '90s. You can often get good, reliable intel through more humane means. I'm not saying coddle the bastards---far from it. Just that there are better ways to collect intel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members FreestyleIntruder Posted April 21, 2009 Members Share Posted April 21, 2009 Here we go again...My two cents: Torture usually doesn't work. The subject will get to the point when they'll say what they think the interrogator wants to hear, just to end the torture. This is my concern. I've never been tortured (unless you count the time I went to a Dashboard Confessional show) but I'm pretty certain that I could be made to admit to being Ghengis Khan if I was having water poured over my face or electricity passed through my genitals or eels stuffed up my anus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Mr.Mow Posted April 21, 2009 Members Share Posted April 21, 2009 We lose the moral high ground when we resort to the same same methods used by our enemies. I think Mr. Thumper says it all.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Crescent Seven Posted April 21, 2009 Members Share Posted April 21, 2009 I served as a human intelligence officer in the Balkans in the late '90s. You can often get good, reliable intel through more humane means. Sodium Pentathol?LSD?C7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Kindness Posted April 21, 2009 Moderators Share Posted April 21, 2009 I think Mr. Thumper says it all.. He always does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Crescent Seven Posted April 21, 2009 Members Share Posted April 21, 2009 He always does.The hard part is getting him to STFU.C7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Kindness Posted April 21, 2009 Moderators Share Posted April 21, 2009 The hard part is getting him to STFU. C7 Waterboard him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Crescent Seven Posted April 21, 2009 Members Share Posted April 21, 2009 Waterboard him? No. That would make him talk.C7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members willsellout Posted April 21, 2009 Members Share Posted April 21, 2009 Seriously, you get a hooker to blow them whenever they want. Pretty soon they will tell you whatever you want. NO man can resist oral sex for very long and once they cave in, you have them by the balls (so to speak). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members willsellout Posted April 21, 2009 Members Share Posted April 21, 2009 or you get them all hooked on heroin and then don't give them their {censored}. They'll talk! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Thumper Posted April 21, 2009 Members Share Posted April 21, 2009 No. That would make him talk. C7 Not bloody likely. Now offering beer... I'd turn snitch like C7 for a Snickers Bar in the Big House. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Kindness Posted April 21, 2009 Moderators Share Posted April 21, 2009 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Roger in the sky Posted April 21, 2009 Members Share Posted April 21, 2009 The OP asked a question that suggested waterboarding wasn't effective. Giving it up at 35 seconds in to the process seems to have been effective. If you'd like to argue something other than what my position was, feel free to do so. the article says that he gave it up after 35 seconds, it also says he was waterboarded over a hundred times. wtf? the rest of the tiems were just for fun? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Crescent Seven Posted April 21, 2009 Members Share Posted April 21, 2009 the article says that he gave it up after 35 seconds, it also says he was waterboarded over a hundred times. wtf? the rest of the tiems were just for fun?Different kicks for different chicks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Emprov Posted April 21, 2009 Members Share Posted April 21, 2009 Here we go again...My two cents: Torture usually doesn't work. My brother is a CHP Cadet in his second time through the academy. They make the cadets experience tazer, pepper spray and tear gas. Did the govt expose you to any type of torture during your training? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members willsellout Posted April 21, 2009 Members Share Posted April 21, 2009 My brother is a CHP Cadet in his second time through the academy. They make the cadets experience tazer, pepper spray and tear gas. Did the govt expose you to any type of torture during your training? The reason they do that is because you don't really have faith in some of those things until they drop you to the deck. It also helps to be exposed in case someone gets ahold of one or the other and you get it used on you. When I was pepper sprayed I was sprayed and then attacked by two people and I had to draw my weapon and get them to the ground. Better for that stuff to happen during training than in real life. Dan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Thumper Posted April 21, 2009 Members Share Posted April 21, 2009 My brother is a CHP Cadet in his second time through the academy. They make the cadets experience tazer, pepper spray and tear gas. Did the govt expose you to any type of torture during your training? Back in the day HUMINT guys went through the Resistance Phase of the USAF SERE (Survive, Evade, Resist, Escape) training that every USAF air crew takes. The idea was to give interrogators a view from the Other Side. It was the most unpleasant several days of my life. It did prepare me for 19 years (and counting) of marriage, though. (It's a good thing Mrs. Thumper is out of town. If she saw this, she'd had my nuts on a necklace and my liver on a stick, roasting over an open fire...) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Roger in the sky Posted April 21, 2009 Members Share Posted April 21, 2009 ZING! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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