Members Tomm Williams Posted January 1, 2013 Author Members Share Posted January 1, 2013 Originally Posted by agedhorse Because people do not understand how the numbers work. Period. A box that's a realistic (as in average, with the response in the +/-3dB range) 96dB/1W/1M, rated at a realistic power handling of 225 watts continuous (based on power compression curves) will compete quite well with many of today's exaggerated marketing claims. Powered at 350 watts (reasonable given the way the continuous power is rated, with proper HPF) is going to be pretty impressive. Folks do not understand the loss of sensitivity tradeoff that's made when trying to achieve higher numerical power handling. The point of diminishing returns bitch-slaps you time and time again in the design phase. Looking at some of the specs from BagEnd products, their wattage ratings (on some boxes) are astonishingly low but their efficiency ratings are very high. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Tomm Williams Posted January 1, 2013 Author Members Share Posted January 1, 2013 Originally Posted by agedhorse Do you mean MRX? Yes, similar though the weight of the MDF is heavier. Sensitivity is within a dB or so, and power handling is about a dB shy as well (using my normalization to real world). If you are in the area, give me a call and you can play around with them. Let me give JR a call and see when we can make a road trip. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Tomm Williams Posted January 1, 2013 Author Members Share Posted January 1, 2013 Originally Posted by agedhorse Do you mean MRX? Yes, similar though the weight of the MDF is heavier. Sensitivity is within a dB or so, and power handling is about a dB shy as well (using my normalization to real world). If you are in the area, give me a call and you can play around with them. Let me give JR a call and see when we can make a road trip. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Gordon Sound Posted January 1, 2013 Members Share Posted January 1, 2013 I have over the years been forced to look for hi sensitivity speakers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Gordon Sound Posted January 1, 2013 Members Share Posted January 1, 2013 I have over the years been forced to look for hi sensitivity speakers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members agedhorse Posted January 2, 2013 Members Share Posted January 2, 2013 Originally Posted by Tomm Williams Let me give JR a call and see when we can make a road trip. Road trip... with lunch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members agedhorse Posted January 2, 2013 Members Share Posted January 2, 2013 Originally Posted by Tomm Williams Let me give JR a call and see when we can make a road trip. Road trip... with lunch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members tlbonehead Posted January 2, 2013 Members Share Posted January 2, 2013 Originally Posted by Gordon Sound I have over the years been forced to look for hi sensitivity speakers. who is forcing you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members tlbonehead Posted January 2, 2013 Members Share Posted January 2, 2013 Originally Posted by Gordon Sound I have over the years been forced to look for hi sensitivity speakers. who is forcing you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Unalaska Posted January 2, 2013 Members Share Posted January 2, 2013 If you're buying speakers while keeping current amps its nice to buy higher sensitivity. Getting the most out of every watt is a great way to save on AC draw and keep am costs down. They look great mark, might have to try some out! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Unalaska Posted January 2, 2013 Members Share Posted January 2, 2013 If you're buying speakers while keeping current amps its nice to buy higher sensitivity. Getting the most out of every watt is a great way to save on AC draw and keep am costs down. They look great mark, might have to try some out! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Tomm Williams Posted January 2, 2013 Author Members Share Posted January 2, 2013 They look like an excellent match for my IPR1600's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Tomm Williams Posted January 2, 2013 Author Members Share Posted January 2, 2013 They look like an excellent match for my IPR1600's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members W. M. Hellinger Posted January 2, 2013 Members Share Posted January 2, 2013 Originally Posted by tlbonehead you sure are trying to bust ass over a sub $200 speaker. Heck, why not? We're all here sitting around the table. I don't mind... in-fact, it's all good. $200 or $2K speaker... it's all good conversation. The devil is in the details... let's lay them out and talk about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members W. M. Hellinger Posted January 2, 2013 Members Share Posted January 2, 2013 Originally Posted by tlbonehead you sure are trying to bust ass over a sub $200 speaker. Heck, why not? We're all here sitting around the table. I don't mind... in-fact, it's all good. $200 or $2K speaker... it's all good conversation. The devil is in the details... let's lay them out and talk about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Unalaska Posted January 2, 2013 Members Share Posted January 2, 2013 The 12" looks kinda like the ones I built. Guts are different but not far off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Unalaska Posted January 2, 2013 Members Share Posted January 2, 2013 The 12" looks kinda like the ones I built. Guts are different but not far off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members RoadRanger Posted January 2, 2013 Members Share Posted January 2, 2013 Originally Posted by Tomm Williams They look like an excellent match for my IPR1600's. Yah, my monitors are about the same rating and the IPR1600's are plenty of overkill . Just for yucks I once wired four of my monitors in series/parallel on an RMX850 which got them down to 75 watts each and the limiters were barely flickering when up at max GBF with "average" (AKA not particularly strong or weak) singers. It still amazes me that there are lots of bands hereabouts that "need" more than 110db at their ears from their monitors . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members RoadRanger Posted January 2, 2013 Members Share Posted January 2, 2013 Originally Posted by Tomm Williams They look like an excellent match for my IPR1600's. Yah, my monitors are about the same rating and the IPR1600's are plenty of overkill . Just for yucks I once wired four of my monitors in series/parallel on an RMX850 which got them down to 75 watts each and the limiters were barely flickering when up at max GBF with "average" (AKA not particularly strong or weak) singers. It still amazes me that there are lots of bands hereabouts that "need" more than 110db at their ears from their monitors . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Axisplayer Posted January 2, 2013 Members Share Posted January 2, 2013 Originally Posted by RoadRanger It still amazes me that there are lots of bands hereabouts that "want" more than 110db at their ears from their monitors . As Andy always says....I fixed it for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Members dughaze Posted January 3, 2013 Members Share Posted January 3, 2013 Originally Posted by Zeromus-X Jesus. Those things cost nothing at all. China Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members vaughn4380 Posted January 3, 2013 Members Share Posted January 3, 2013 Well these are interesting. I have been researching (and listening) to numerous options for my new band. What would everyone suggest for subs with these? Say I bought two of the 12 inch DUS models for FOH duties and powered them with an IPR 3000 (or IPR 1600), would two PRX400 subs match up well? Or something else? At this price point I have to at least consider the DUS speakers as an option. Previously I was planning to go with two JBL PRX612m and one PRX618XLF for FOH. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members RoadRanger Posted January 3, 2013 Members Share Posted January 3, 2013 Originally Posted by vaughn4380 Well these are interesting. I have been researching (and listening) to numerous options for my new band. What would everyone suggest for subs with these? Say I bought two of the 12 inch DUS models for FOH duties and powered them with an IPR 3000 (or IPR 1600), would two PRX400 subs match up well? Or something else? Where are you located? If you're looking for something in that class maybe someone here has something for cheap . The PRX418S subs would be a bit of overkill for those tops but that's not a bad thing . I'd use an IPR1600 on those tops and an IPR3000 on those subs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members agedhorse Posted January 3, 2013 Members Share Posted January 3, 2013 I would recommend the IPR-1600 for those subs ast they are a 4 ohm box, and 500 watts per box is plenty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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