Members onyxrhino Posted October 7, 2010 Members Share Posted October 7, 2010 I have seen so many folks here just give their music away for free by offering free downloads etc. Assuming you and your band spent time and money to make a record wouldnt you want an opportunity to recoup some costs? Selling your record and other mer h is a great way for a band to make a little scratch. If your record is available for free though what is the incentive for folks to buy the real thing? I'm just curious about this seemingly counter intuitive marketing plan. It's a very 20th century business mindset you've got there. These days, it's becoming more and more common that music is free. Plenty of unknown bands are putting their stuff out there for free. Even some established and wildly popular acts are putting their stuff out there for free. And, even if the artist isn't putting it out there themselves, it's pretty easy to get just about anyone's music for free, if you want to. The genie isn't going back in the bottle. But, there are still a million ways to make a profit off your music, even if you are giving away the recordings for free (see the "How does Facebook make money" thread). You just have to be more creative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members IamBurnout Posted October 7, 2010 Members Share Posted October 7, 2010 There is a distinct difference between free and worthless. Worthless is something which doesn't sell, while free is something that exists without sales. Apples and oranges. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members lank81 Posted October 7, 2010 Members Share Posted October 7, 2010 I'd rather have someone listen to it than no one at all. +1 Making money should be secondary to sharing the message, your craft, or whatever reasoning you have behind the actual creation/production. Now a days everyone is cheap, I know I am. I spend the money on my family, gear, and a date night or two a month, if we have the rents watch our girl. I ask for CDs for holidays/birthdays but if it's good stuff, I'll buy it, if the funds are available. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members claytonjohn18 Posted October 7, 2010 Members Share Posted October 7, 2010 There is a distinct difference between free and worthless.Worthless is something which doesn't sell, while free is something that exists without sales.Apples and oranges. Apples/oranges are neither free nor worthless in most cases. I:love:You Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members IamBurnout Posted October 7, 2010 Members Share Posted October 7, 2010 Apples/oranges are neither free nor worthless in most cases. I:love:You I'm betrothed to sausagefoot, but your av is pretty hot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members claytonjohn18 Posted October 7, 2010 Members Share Posted October 7, 2010 I'm betrothed to sausagefoot, but your av is pretty hot. Sausagefoot is good people. He's helped me in my synth journey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members less_cunning Posted October 7, 2010 Members Share Posted October 7, 2010 its apples and pears. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ben_allison Posted October 7, 2010 Members Share Posted October 7, 2010 Sausagefoot is good people. He's helped me in my synth journey. Plus his sausage is like... a whole foot... wide. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Sad Darwin Posted October 7, 2010 Members Share Posted October 7, 2010 Music is free. Anyone who thinks otherwise should have to buy their avatar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Sad Darwin Posted October 7, 2010 Members Share Posted October 7, 2010 Plus his sausage is like... a whole foot...wide. It's weird, I know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Sad Darwin Posted October 7, 2010 Members Share Posted October 7, 2010 The internet exists, music is free. The moment someone buys your CD, Mp3, etc it is already in circulation, already up on every torrent, every pirating site. The industry has been dying so fast they weren Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Sad Darwin Posted October 7, 2010 Members Share Posted October 7, 2010 In the meantime, and from now on, media is free once its digital. Stop clinging to it. The last 50 years have been a cultural blip, the likes of which will never be seen again. We're in transition. Transition is scary. So what? Start thinking about what's missing from the picture and how you can make that picture better for yourself and your musical community. Hint: it won't involve anything that was previously considered tried and true. That {censored}'s dead. Looking up in the clouds to rock stars that will never happen again won't help you or anyone else. Look around you, to those right next to you. What do they need to make their lives easier? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members SnorkelMonkey Posted October 7, 2010 Members Share Posted October 7, 2010 Music is free. Anyone who thinks otherwise should have to buy their avatar. I know. I keep trying to tell the guy who makes my suits the same thing about suits but he keeps telling me to {censored} off in Italian. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members humancertainty Posted October 7, 2010 Members Share Posted October 7, 2010 I don't give my music away. I still pay for music, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Sad Darwin Posted October 7, 2010 Members Share Posted October 7, 2010 I don't give my music away.I still pay for music, too. There is an emotional tug to do that, one that I understand. I pay too, but I'm still aware that musical recordings as a product are more or less doomed as a primary revenue stream. In the future it's going to be supplemental at best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members humancertainty Posted October 7, 2010 Members Share Posted October 7, 2010 There is an emotional tug to do that, one that I understand. I pay too, but I'm still aware that musical recordings as a product are more or less doomed as a primary revenue stream. In the future it's going to be supplemental at best. Ha ha. Trust me, I did not mean to imply that my music brings in a primary revenue. Merch sales in the band I recently parted ways with actually was our primary revenue, but I know we were an exception. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Sad Darwin Posted October 7, 2010 Members Share Posted October 7, 2010 /rant Devi..... you're not everyone. Barely anyone but artists and musicians think like that. I'd like your attitude to be more pervasive, more representative of the population, but the amount of people who want to purchase shiny and non-shiny spinning objects is very slim. How do people interact with music on a day to day basis? iPod on public transit and iPod in car (ie 1011010111010 10 1101 10). I agree that it makes it seem more "official" and it certainly makes the album as a purchase seem closer to art, but in the end the amount of people who want the deluxe shiny spinning object with paper ain't gonna pay the bills. Sounds harsh, particularly because I too am a fan of the deluxe shiny spinning object with paper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members humancertainty Posted October 7, 2010 Members Share Posted October 7, 2010 no one on HCFX will ever make it past "cover band earning some money to go to the crocodile show with the family".its a factall the good bands that are making money....theyre not sitting on their ass typing at some dumb forum....theyre out there rocking. I spent two of the last two-and-a-half years where my sole income was from the band I was playing in and I traveled the world while I was doing it. I also enjoyed then and enjoy now sitting on my ass for a bit each day and participating in this dumb forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members christianatl Posted October 7, 2010 Members Share Posted October 7, 2010 I refuse to read pages 2-6. If you give something away for free, people may make the unconscious, or conscious for that matter, association that what you are giving them is worthless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members less_cunning Posted October 7, 2010 Members Share Posted October 7, 2010 i think its fruitless at this point to frame this as a moral issue. blaming it on illegal filesharing or free d/l is just a pointless dead end. its merely a paltry excuse for WANTING ppl to buy yr crappy-ass music. ppl aren't forced to buy bad records based on hype & "clever" marketing anymore. & now you're mad at ppl whom give it away for free & they get attention and you don't. there was a time when music used to be FREE. you didn't pay for it. you made it on the front porch w/ yr family in the evening or you listened to tribal drums w/ communal singing that contained oral histories in yr village. slaves & sharecroppers sang fields hollers while working backbreakinglabor all day for NOTHING. so {censored} yr little stupid worthless MP3 i want MUSIC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members humancertainty Posted October 7, 2010 Members Share Posted October 7, 2010 I don't give a {censored} if other people give their music away. I'm just not inclined to do the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members less_cunning Posted October 7, 2010 Members Share Posted October 7, 2010 I don't give a {censored} if other people give their music away. I'm just not inclined to do the same.obviously SAL is feeling a whole lot of insecurity about selling his music otherwise he wouldn't have started this thread in the first place.jealous much SAL ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members carrier street Posted October 7, 2010 Members Share Posted October 7, 2010 After getting the last couple of Cloudkicker EPs, I payed for the full length. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members triviani Posted October 7, 2010 Members Share Posted October 7, 2010 So there ia a question here: How important is to make money from music to you? Seems that those that see themselves as an "artist" insist on being paid for their "creations" . But the Market no longer pays for that.. For these that see music as a hobby for the soul, but get their income from somewhere else, is easier to them to give it for free, so people will listen. Strangely enough this approach is working better today, as nobody buys CDs anymore but still people is willing to go to live concerts. So live shows is where the remaining money is left.. And you have to be good to keep people comming! I kind of like this second approach.. People will be free again to play whatever they want to, no strings attached to record companies or a bull{censored} pop market. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members less_cunning Posted October 7, 2010 Members Share Posted October 7, 2010 {censored} i STILL buy CD's !!! hell i even bought two Neil Young 8-Tracks at the thrift store this summer. (still need to hook my 8-Track Player up to my mixer & listen to them...) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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