Members highgainlover Posted February 16, 2005 Members Share Posted February 16, 2005 Originally posted by Grubgoat So, here's the follow-up, for anyone that's interested, or maybe anyone looking to do business with the man himself. I paid $1600 for an amp (I've got *plenty* of proof of this). After siccing the FBI and the Illinois Atty. General on him, and starting this thread, I guess I gave him a little scare, cause he PM'ed me and said I had a *full* refund on the way. The envelope I got had a PERSONAL check from Zwengel Amplifiers in it, made out for $1200. An attached letter says: "Paul, enclosed is a check for $1200 as an initial refund payment. I'll send you the balance out on the 1st of February, Regards, Carl Zwengel" This being the 16th of February, I'm inclined to think that the rest of that money ain't gonna show up. So, basically, I'm a really nice guy, donating $400 to the Carl Zwengel Charity Fund. If you're thinking of buying *ANYTHING* from this man, I'd re-read this thread and give it some serious thought. Normally I abhor bashing someone's rep. But the whole idea of doing business and trades over Harmony Central is based on trust, basically. Some {censored}er that can't hold up his end needs to be called out. Buyer Beware. I'm gonna keep bumping this every few weeks, so newbies see it. What a Dick! You should have made clear you don't want a personal check - M.O or certified. I sold a crybaby and got a personal check. I assumed it was good and waited a week. Blah. It bounced. I'm sure the guy probably has a credit card or bank account. I know if I owed people money, I'd use my credit to pay them back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Japetus Posted February 16, 2005 Members Share Posted February 16, 2005 That's really {censored}ty that after all of this, he still hasn't refunded you all of the money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members JBecker Posted February 16, 2005 Members Share Posted February 16, 2005 Originally posted by JamesPeters Now all we need is a follow-up on whether Fab paid back his customers that he never delivered amps to. ::sigh:: Love the internet, hate the internet. These things are why the store never dies. Love James Peters all the time, though! (Yes, I know I sound like a cave man). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Grubgoat Posted February 17, 2005 Author Members Share Posted February 17, 2005 That's a very good point, cause now, I'm wary of buying ANYTHING from an indy amp maker. Could be, now, I've been burnt well enough to stick to GC, which is a sad {censored}ing thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Detox Posted February 17, 2005 Members Share Posted February 17, 2005 Originally posted by Grubgoat That's a very good point, cause now, I'm wary of buying ANYTHING from an indy amp maker. Could be, now, I've been burnt well enough to stick to GC, which is a sad {censored}ing thing. If it'll make you feel any better, I'll sell you this for $1200 (presuming the check you got clears). No risk, as I live in Dearborn, and can meet you at the Canton GC, amp in hand, if you want. I need some $$$ to get my bass rig up to speed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members heavyles99 Posted February 17, 2005 Members Share Posted February 17, 2005 Originally posted by WARangel It's not just the Internet. The overwhelming majority of small business start ups fail - well over 50% and I think as high as 80%. Many others "doddle" along for years. Keep going up--->85% nope, higher---->90% nope, higher Buyers-->Caveat Emptor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members etienne Posted February 24, 2005 Members Share Posted February 24, 2005 Good luck getting your money back, I've once been defrauded for 300$, and I never got my money back. I had made a claim to ebay, paypal, master card the IFCC and the FBI, it didn't work. You will be suing a company that has a weak business model, that cannot meet the due date of your order. I'm not sure you will get your money back, maybe the amp... Let us know how it goes ! E- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Big Hair Posted March 1, 2005 Members Share Posted March 1, 2005 is your Banshee still broken or did you fix it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members NoirAbattoir Posted March 1, 2005 Members Share Posted March 1, 2005 Originally posted by Grubgoat "Paul, enclosed is a check for $1200 as an initial refund payment. I'll send you the balance out on the 1st of February, Regards, Carl Zwengel" The maggot paid you just enough so that it would no longer be larceny over $500 dollars. I would continue to follow through with the police. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members lenduffy Posted March 1, 2005 Members Share Posted March 1, 2005 Would you buy an amp from this man??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Grubgoat Posted March 4, 2005 Author Members Share Posted March 4, 2005 I'd say its time for another bump. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members sekler Posted March 4, 2005 Members Share Posted March 4, 2005 Originally posted by Grubgoat I'd say its time for another bump. so you got your money back ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Grubgoat Posted March 4, 2005 Author Members Share Posted March 4, 2005 Nah, and I doubt I ever will. Like said above, he sent just enough back so I can't go after the rest. Which is why I'm going to keep bumping. ANYONE considering giving this man money is out of their minds... In truth, I ought to bring this into other forums, like the gear pages. He's lucky I only come to HC... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members MCon Posted March 4, 2005 Members Share Posted March 4, 2005 Originally posted by Grubgoat Nah, and I doubt I ever will. Like said above, he sent just enough back so I can't go after the rest.Which is why I'm going to keep bumping. ANYONE considering giving this man money is out of their minds...In truth, I ought to bring this into other forums, like the gear pages. He's lucky I only come to HC... Does he get a lot of business on those pages? I would hold it over him and tell him if he doesn't give you back the remaining $400 you'll go on every gear page you can find and tell them the story of how he screwed you over. He'll stand to lose a lot more then $400. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members moronmountain Posted March 4, 2005 Members Share Posted March 4, 2005 Sorry to here this bro. If he was any kind of a business man he woulda sent you the amp plus $500. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Big Hair Posted March 10, 2005 Members Share Posted March 10, 2005 is it him that posts under the name "Zwengel" on the gear pages? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Grubgoat Posted March 11, 2005 Author Members Share Posted March 11, 2005 Originally posted by Big Hair is it him that posts under the name "Zwengel" on the gear pages? I imagine so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members lenduffy Posted March 12, 2005 Members Share Posted March 12, 2005 I don't think it is actually....not arrogant enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members imziggy Posted March 12, 2005 Members Share Posted March 12, 2005 Originally posted by lenduffy I don't think it is actually....not arrogant enough. I think you may be right..."HC" lists his last post on 8-20-2004. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members NoirAbattoir Posted March 12, 2005 Members Share Posted March 12, 2005 Originally posted by lenduffy I don't think it is actually....not arrogant enough. Hey Len, you up for another ampfest? Do a search for it if you are. Mysticaxe is organizing it. It's going to be in boston. Easy access off of I-93. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members poisonherwell Posted March 17, 2005 Members Share Posted March 17, 2005 Bro,I think you should go after whats left of his reputation.Post links to this thread on every guitar site you can find.Word spreads fast. Consider writing a letter to Guitar world and other magazines,you never know they might publish it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members OverDriven Posted March 17, 2005 Members Share Posted March 17, 2005 What sites does this guy post at? I would be happy to spread a link to this thread around at the other forums. -Joe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members bigdaddyd Posted March 17, 2005 Members Share Posted March 17, 2005 That guy looks like a young Ed Roman. Are you sure he isn't related Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members lenduffy Posted March 22, 2005 Members Share Posted March 22, 2005 Just sold my Banshee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Grubgoat Posted March 24, 2005 Author Members Share Posted March 24, 2005 Originally posted by lenduffy Just sold my Banshee. I thought you liked it? Anyway, BUMP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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