Members 17 Tubes Posted March 22, 2007 Members Share Posted March 22, 2007 All good joking...but monster has a bit of a point. I bet Gary would be a bit ticked at the title of this thread. Albert plays some very traditional blues, that has managed to be frozen in time. Good thing too. Gary is playing an advanced hybrid version. But of course Harmony Central would like Gary more. Gary's got his gain knob pegged. lol. BTW...I love Gary Moore. I have a live recording from the King Biscuit Flour Hour way back in the day. "Shapes Of Things"...holy mother of God. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Zachman Posted March 22, 2007 Author Members Share Posted March 22, 2007 If by crushes you mean plays a whole lot faster and louder, I suppose you're right. FWIW, Gary's one of my favorite players and technically one of the best, but nobody crushes Albert. There isn't a blues player out there that hasn't borrowed heavily from Albert. If you listen to Albert expecting to hear a shred fest, you'll be disappointed. If you listen to one of the pioneers of modern electric blues and one of the best string benders ever, you'll be smiling.I've seen a lot of videos of Gary with the older blues guys, and to me he's really obnoxious. He stands there all leaning in to them with a "look at me, aren't I great" smug look on his face and plays all over the top of them. Seems more like he's about showing off than making good music with them.Like I said, on his own, he's one of my favorites, but he doesn't play well with others. This is DEFINATELY a Blues guy and I think he kicks the CRAP out of Albert Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Zachman Posted March 22, 2007 Author Members Share Posted March 22, 2007 All good joking...but monster has a bit of a point.I bet Gary would be a bit ticked at the title of this thread. Albert plays some very traditional blues, that has managed to be frozen in time. Good thing too. Gary is playing an advanced hybrid version. But of course Harmony Central would like Gary more. Gary's got his gain knob pegged. lol. BTW...I love Gary Moore. I have a live recording from the King Biscuit Flour Hour way back in the day. "Shapes Of Things"...holy mother of God. IF I could I would put IMO in the title, but... It IS my opinion and I stand by it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members mistersully Posted March 22, 2007 Members Share Posted March 22, 2007 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qplN4pm1MSE the funny part about threads like this is... if gary moore read this thread... he'd think you were {censored}ed in the head Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Zachman Posted March 22, 2007 Author Members Share Posted March 22, 2007 the funny part about threads like this is... if gary moore read this thread... he'd think you were {censored}ed in the head The thing is this, my opinion of that particular performance takes NOTHING away from Albert's accomplishments, I just think Gary took what Albert started and took it to another level. BTW, how anybody feels, Gary included, doesn't in the slightest bit change my opinion. Tuning would've been cool for Albert in that video though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members jem7vwh Posted March 22, 2007 Members Share Posted March 22, 2007 I'm a big fan of Gary Moore, but he made himself look like a fool in that video. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Teleplayer Posted March 22, 2007 Members Share Posted March 22, 2007 "Gary Moore CRUSHES Albert King LIVE" One of the dumbest things I have ever read in my 30+ years of guitar playing. Moore was certainly faster than King. Go Gary Go.....weedly........deedly.........deedly.....dee...... faster, faster, yeah baby. Louder too. Mmmmkay! Pound that vintage Paul into submission! Albert King was inventing blues before Gary Moore was even a thought in his daddy's ballbag. Give me a break. If you look at Gary's face in the beginning of the video, he is happy to be on the same stage as King. King was revered by all the current generation "blues" guys, because he was one of the second generation blues players that laid the groundwork for electric blues, along with cats like Muddy, BB, Freddie King, Willie Dixon, Hubert Sumlin, John Lee Hooker, etc. Gary Moore is a good player, and I am not dissing him. Hey, he's much faster (like that matters) than Clapton, Jeff Beck, Pagey, SRV. So what? ALL of those guys have had 100x more impact on electric blues than Moore ever had - or ever will have. What's the point or the big deal? Music isn't a competition, and opinions written as though they are absolutes are plain moronic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Zachman Posted March 22, 2007 Author Members Share Posted March 22, 2007 Check out this clip; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJF5zB7YcXc Killer, I actually have that video. Not only is Allan a genius and an AMAZING player, he is a super cool guy too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Zachman Posted March 22, 2007 Author Members Share Posted March 22, 2007 The thing is this, my opinion of that particular performance takes NOTHING away from Albert's accomplishments, I just think Gary took what Albert started and took it to another level. BTW, how anybody feels, Gary included, doesn't in the slightest bit change my opinion. Tuning would've been cool for Albert in that video though. Henry Ford invented the automobile, but I have no problem acknowledging modern technology's advancements over the original in that regard either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Minitruth Posted March 22, 2007 Members Share Posted March 22, 2007 Blues is an atmosphere created by poor black men, re-packaged and marketed to affluent whites, same as rap is today. The operative words hereare "created" and "re-packaged". Albert King is one of my idols- Not becausehe was fast or technical, but because he infused what he played with what he felt. His playing was the product of his life experiences. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members rog951 Posted March 22, 2007 Members Share Posted March 22, 2007 When I watched that video, I saw two great guitar players with different styles and tones. It's pretty obvious that most people will prefer one over the other but I don't understand why it has to be a competition. Maybe we should also measure their schlongs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Zachman Posted March 22, 2007 Author Members Share Posted March 22, 2007 Blues is an atmosphere created by poor black men, re-packaged and marketed to affluent whites, same as rap is today. The operative words hereare "created" and "re-packaged". Albert King is one of my idols- Not becausehe was fast or technical, but because he infused what he played with what he felt. His playing was the product of his life experiences. Gary was raised up poor in his country, and infused his soul, technique and ability into his playing too, with feel. The Blues is color blind, everybody gets the blues now and then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Teleplayer Posted March 22, 2007 Members Share Posted March 22, 2007 When I watched that video, I saw two great guitar players with different styles and tones. It's pretty obvious that most people will prefer one over the other but I don't understand why it has to be a competition. Maybe we should also measure their schlongs? Yep = someone here gets it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Zachman Posted March 22, 2007 Author Members Share Posted March 22, 2007 When I watched that video, I saw two great guitar players with different styles and tones. It's pretty obvious that most people will prefer one over the other but I don't understand why it has to be a competition. Maybe we should also measure their schlongs? It is human nature, to have preferences. Sorry, but Albert in that video, did nothing for me. It doesn't need to be a debate at all. It is my opinion and apparently a few others as well. No big deal, I'm sure Albert doesn't give a crap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Teleplayer Posted March 22, 2007 Members Share Posted March 22, 2007 Gary was likely influenced a lot by King - as were players like Stevie, Eric and Jeff. I doubt the reverse is true. I saw BB last year, right after he turned 80. Guts, soul, still has the great singing voice and guitar vibrato. Played some guitar on stage - but not very much. When I watched BB on stage doing his thing at 12:30 in the morning, I could not help but think to myself that I was watching one of the inventors (of electric blues). 50 years from now, when most of these guys are long gone - six feet under - I wonder who will be remembered? Heck, Rusty Cooley, Mike Batio, (insert name of your personal favorite noodler) - they can all play circles around any of the three Kings....when it comes to speed. But when it comes to sheer influence on millions of guitar players, that's another story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Teleplayer Posted March 22, 2007 Members Share Posted March 22, 2007 It is human nature, to have preferences...... It doesn't need to be a debate at all. It is my opinion and apparently a few others as well. No big deal, I'm sure Albert doesn't give a crap. Well said Zachman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Zachman Posted March 22, 2007 Author Members Share Posted March 22, 2007 "Gary Moore CRUSHES Albert King LIVE"One of the dumbest things I have ever read in my 30+ years of guitar playing. Moore was certainly faster than King. Go Gary Go.....weedly........deedly.........deedly.....dee...... faster, faster, yeah baby. Louder too. Mmmmkay! Pound that vintage Paul into submission!Albert King was inventing blues before Gary Moore was even a thought in his daddy's ballbag. Give me a break. If you look at Gary's face in the beginning of the video, he is happy to be on the same stage as King. King was revered by all the current generation "blues" guys, because he was one of the second generation blues players that laid the groundwork for electric blues, along with cats like Muddy, BB, Freddie King, Willie Dixon, Hubert Sumlin, John Lee Hooker, etc.Gary Moore is a good player, and I am not dissing him. Hey, he's much faster (like that matters) than Clapton, Jeff Beck, Pagey, SRV. So what? ALL of those guys have had 100x more impact on electric blues than Moore ever had - or ever will have. What's the point or the big deal?Music isn't a competition, and opinions written as though they are absolutes are plain moronic. Since it isn't a competition and no big deal, quit your {censored}in whinning already. Just sayin, IMO Albert sucked ass, factually was out of tune and I prefered Gary's playing. Deal with it and STFU Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Zachman Posted March 22, 2007 Author Members Share Posted March 22, 2007 Gary was likely influenced a lot by King - as were players like Stevie, Eric and Jeff. I doubt the reverse is true. I saw BB last year, right after he turned 80. Guts, soul, still has the great singing voice and guitar vibrato. Played some guitar on stage - but not very much. When I watched BB on stage doing his thing at 12:30 in the morning, I could not help but think to myself that I was watching one of the inventors (of electric blues). 50 years from now, when most of these guys are long gone - six feet under - I wonder who will be remembered? Heck, Rusty Cooley, Mike Batio, (insert name of your personal favorite noodler) - they can all play circles around any of the three Kings....when it comes to speed. But when it comes to sheer influence on millions of guitar players, that's another story. Van Halen, Jimi Hendrix, Clapton, BB King, Chet Atkins, Les Paul, Leo Fender will all be remembered for their contributions, none taking away from the others all adding to music and all having their fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members -todgemistro- Posted March 22, 2007 Members Share Posted March 22, 2007 Moore's tone on that was awesome Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Teleplayer Posted March 22, 2007 Members Share Posted March 22, 2007 Since it isn't a competition and no big deal, quit your {censored}in whinning already. Just sayin, IMO Albert sucked ass, factually was out of tune and I prefered Gary's playing.Deal with it and STFU I compliment you on one of your posts, and you bust my balls. BTW, what is "whinning"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Zachman Posted March 22, 2007 Author Members Share Posted March 22, 2007 I compliment you on one of your posts, and you bust my balls. BTW, what is "whinning"? I posted that after you wrote that, by accident. Peace, Sorry... Oops, typo... it was whining with sustain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Teleplayer Posted March 22, 2007 Members Share Posted March 22, 2007 .... Oops, typo... it was whining with sustain. LOL Good reply. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members GCDEF Posted March 22, 2007 Members Share Posted March 22, 2007 This is DEFINATELY a Blues guy and I think he kicks the CRAP out of Alberthttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iiH9_DUop4U Saying anybody kicks the crap out of Albert only indicates that you've missed the point entirely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Zachman Posted March 22, 2007 Author Members Share Posted March 22, 2007 Saying anybody kicks the crap out of Albert only indicates that you've missed the point entirely. No, I just disagree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Johnny'sGotTheBlues Posted March 22, 2007 Members Share Posted March 22, 2007 Wilmer, you're a {censored}ing idiot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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