Members petejt Posted August 31, 2008 Members Share Posted August 31, 2008 I just don't understand it. To me, "sag" drags the tone away from the note. And it drags the notes away from each other, so much that each note is almost to literally incomprensible to each other. It drags down your playing. It smothers the notes, it smears them, it smudges them. It clouds them, conceals them, & craps them out . If that's the case, then why is sag such an inherent feature in particular guitar amplifiers that are famously (& copycat-tedly) used across the world? wat, you say? yeah, WAT I say wat what's it all about? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Marshredder Posted August 31, 2008 Members Share Posted August 31, 2008 I love sag, the more the merrier, its just my idea of a nice tone, I like it? If I was doing metal I would want a tight tone though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members BusterBuster Posted August 31, 2008 Members Share Posted August 31, 2008 A blooming notes = Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members SiCkboy78 Posted August 31, 2008 Members Share Posted August 31, 2008 I guess it depends on the users preference. I think of a tight amp to be kind of dry. Sag adds depth. I like both types, just depends on what I want to play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members blackba1 Posted August 31, 2008 Members Share Posted August 31, 2008 It goes along with the feel of the amp, kind of like compression. Some like compressed amps, others like uncompressed amp that really respond your pick attack and style. Typically amps with a tube rectifier are going to have more sag than ones with a SS rectifier... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Pr3Va1L Posted August 31, 2008 Members Share Posted August 31, 2008 To NOT play metal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Mr R Gecko Posted August 31, 2008 Members Share Posted August 31, 2008 I guess it depends on the users preference. I think of a tight amp to be kind of dry. Sag adds depth. I like both types, just depends on what I want to play. Precisely. Not everybody is after a super-tight metal rhythm tone. Sag and bloom in the notes is a glorious thing when done right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Spizzledude Posted August 31, 2008 Members Share Posted August 31, 2008 Confucius say: Better amp to have sag than wife. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members petejt Posted August 31, 2008 Author Members Share Posted August 31, 2008 Confucius say: Better amp to have sag than wife. Yeah I can understand why tighter amps are preferred for metal music, which is why I prefer tight amps. But surely tight amps work fine for other musical styles? They do for me. I don't really get this "bloom" thing. I still perceive that no matter the gain level, saggyness will still smother the notes and therefore make them inaudible- all that remains is an inconherent mess? What are some examples/clips of saggy amps used with lower gain & other musical styles? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members greg apocalypse Posted August 31, 2008 Members Share Posted August 31, 2008 To NOT play metal well, if you weren't playing metal...... ...what would you play? :confused: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members petejt Posted August 31, 2008 Author Members Share Posted August 31, 2008 well, if you weren't playing metal...... ...what would you play? :confused: I would play blues, jazz, rembetiko, classical, rock 'n' roll........... & disco Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members HKSblade1 Posted August 31, 2008 Members Share Posted August 31, 2008 this : http://www.aikenamps.com/Sag.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members EdgeOfDarkness Posted August 31, 2008 Members Share Posted August 31, 2008 because acoutic guitars have natural sag so it ....feels more... ...oh wait.. because it feels more natural.......ummm no thats not it. must be to hide bad playing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members JBecker Posted August 31, 2008 Members Share Posted August 31, 2008 Feels good and sounds good. Have you ever played an amp that sagged in such a way that it had the effect you're describing above? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Shiny_Surface Posted August 31, 2008 Members Share Posted August 31, 2008 I just don't understand it. Sag can be very expressive when used in the right circumstances. Do you play a alot of lead guitar? You don't have to get sag, it just works for some people. The only reason sag is looked on negatively on this forum is because of all the metalheads who play fast stop/start stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members EdgeOfDarkness Posted August 31, 2008 Members Share Posted August 31, 2008 sag is not natural when speaking of guitar. classical guys do not like sag either, mainly the rock and rollers who like dirty music. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members JBecker Posted August 31, 2008 Members Share Posted August 31, 2008 sag is not natural when speaking of guitar. classical guys do not like sag either, mainly the rock and rollers who like dirty music. Distortion is not natural when speaking of guitar either. Actually, sag, in many ways, has been around longer than any considerable amount of distortion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members petejt Posted August 31, 2008 Author Members Share Posted August 31, 2008 Sag can be very expressive when used in the right circumstances.Do you play a alot of lead guitar? You don't have to get sag, it just works for some people.The only reason sag is looked on negatively on this forum is because of all the metalheads who play fast stop/start stuff. nah, I'm mostly a rhythm player. I'm better at it than lead. I would like to be better at lead though. and I guess though yes I am mostly a metalhead. I like amps to be very responsive and react quickly, as you said the "fast stop/start" stuff. otherwise I feel like the notes just get washed away amongst each other. What guitar amps that have a lot of sag, that are famously used for non-metal musical styles? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members JBecker Posted August 31, 2008 Members Share Posted August 31, 2008 JTM45 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members SiCkboy78 Posted August 31, 2008 Members Share Posted August 31, 2008 nah, I'm mostly a rhythm player. I'm better at it than lead. I would like to be better at lead though.and I guess though yes I am mostly a metalhead. I like amps to be very responsive and react quickly, as you said the "fast stop/start" stuff. otherwise I feel like the notes just get washed away amongst each other. What guitar amps that have a lot of sag, that are famously used for non-metal musical styles? JTM45Mesa rectifierPlexi's IMO, not a ton of sag but it's there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members petejt Posted August 31, 2008 Author Members Share Posted August 31, 2008 JTM45 Seriously? I honestly wasn't expecting that. Is it because they are virtually a Fender Bassman, which well being a bass amp- has a lot of bass in it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Victory Posted August 31, 2008 Members Share Posted August 31, 2008 What guitar amps that have a lot of sag, that are famously used for non-metal musical styles? Blackface Fender Deluxe comes to mind . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members LP Heaven Posted August 31, 2008 Members Share Posted August 31, 2008 JTM45 you are correct sir...one of my favorite amps of all time. The feel in rhy or lead is simply amazing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Uncle_Milton Posted August 31, 2008 Members Share Posted August 31, 2008 [YOUTUBE][/YOUTUBE] because you can do this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members JBecker Posted August 31, 2008 Members Share Posted August 31, 2008 Seriously? I honestly wasn't expecting that. Is it because they are virtually a Fender Bassman, which well being a bass amp- has a lot of bass in it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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