Members JBecker Posted October 5, 2008 Members Share Posted October 5, 2008 But couldn't you get "sag" by the picking technique? Just how you hit the string would affect how it rings out. That's not the same "sag" people are talking about. In fact, on an amp with sag, that technique is more dramatic. Have you gone and played any of the amps easily found at a local guitar shop mentioned in this thread yet or are you just bumping a troll thread? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members RiffDaemon Posted October 5, 2008 Members Share Posted October 5, 2008 Anyone familiar with "China Grove" by the Doobie Brothers? Correct me if I'm wrong, but that sounds like an amp that's having the snot driven out of it and is sagging in a very good way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members petejt Posted October 6, 2008 Author Members Share Posted October 6, 2008 That's not the same "sag" people are talking about. In fact, on an amp with sag, that technique is more dramatic.Have you gone and played any of the amps easily found at a local guitar shop mentioned in this thread yet or are you just bumping a troll thread? No I'm not just bumping, I'm still pondering the question. I've played some saggy amps, and the sag just annoyed me. In fact it made me even more picky about buying amps. I found that I could get enough warrantable 'sag' by picking technique. I guess maybe that's why I didn't like those amps, due to them accentuating the sag created by technique, as you just explained. I'd hit the string in a certain way, and say take a Dual Recto for instance, would just burp a big floppy foggy "beeeeooooooooooooowwwwwoohhhhowww". Is that what "bloom" sounds like? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members JBecker Posted October 6, 2008 Members Share Posted October 6, 2008 The Recto does not have considerable sag in my experience. JTM45. Play one. No one said you have to like it, but many have described why and what they like about it already. Oh, and it's easier to make an amp tighter than it is to make it sag more, in my experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members cobrahead1030 Posted October 6, 2008 Members Share Posted October 6, 2008 sag is good to a certain degree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members satannica Posted October 6, 2008 Members Share Posted October 6, 2008 I think you need a good healthy dollop of both, even for metal! My preference anyways! You need the tightness there to get nice and heavy, but I also like that little bit of a sag you get particurly when soloing. It just allows you as a player to be that bit more expressive. That's partially why I loved the engl powerball so much. It had both. I used an EQ in the loop and adding just a touch of the low-high mids added what was needed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members petejt Posted October 6, 2008 Author Members Share Posted October 6, 2008 I think you need a good healthy dollop of both, even for metal!My preference anyways!You need the tightness there to get nice and heavy, but I also like that little bit of a sag you get particurly when soloing. It just allows you as a player to be that bit more expressive.That's partially why I loved the engl powerball so much. It had both. I used an EQ in the loop and adding just a touch of the low-high mids added what was needed Would you say that the Engl Fireball has a little bit of sag that works well for expressive lead tones? And with an EQ in its loop? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members rummy Posted October 6, 2008 Members Share Posted October 6, 2008 A blooming notes = +1. Wonderful phenomenon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Weathered Posted October 6, 2008 Members Share Posted October 6, 2008 It's good to know that the stupid still exists around here. Sag is simply a part of an amp's tone. If you don't like sag, you don't have to buy an amp that has sag. If you dig sag, there are amps that have some give to them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members petejt Posted October 6, 2008 Author Members Share Posted October 6, 2008 ^^ What's wrong? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members MTM105 Posted October 6, 2008 Members Share Posted October 6, 2008 the only SAG I'm aware of is what is happening to my scrotum as I age.... My Crate 33W head is notorious for its muddiness gain channel. I like it. Would that be Sag?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members tmdguitar Posted October 6, 2008 Members Share Posted October 6, 2008 idk, i like my tone to be perky just like boobies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Introspectre Posted October 6, 2008 Members Share Posted October 6, 2008 I only prefer sag in titties. I like 'em below the navel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members .homewrecker. Posted October 6, 2008 Members Share Posted October 6, 2008 the article said that solid state rectifiers can add 5 to 15 percent sag. i don't know if that only works when coupled with a tube power section. +10 sag JTM45 lvl 16 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members satannica Posted October 6, 2008 Members Share Posted October 6, 2008 I would guess you could get similar to the powerball with the fireball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members petejt Posted October 6, 2008 Author Members Share Posted October 6, 2008 I would guess you could get similar to the powerball with the fireball.Cool , thanks.The Fireball actually does have a killer lead tone. Very sustaining. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members kinggeoff Posted October 6, 2008 Members Share Posted October 6, 2008 people like being able to be messyc:thu: nahhh i love sag for vintage sounds...i just dont play much vintage sounding stuff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members petejt Posted October 7, 2008 Author Members Share Posted October 7, 2008 ^ ah ok Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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