Members Cap'n Ahole Posted March 29, 2009 Members Share Posted March 29, 2009 thats my fav live jimmy tone/vid Yup, fricken great stuff. You can see why some would call that sloppy. It seems more like a certain looseness that fits the song though. Its not a tight song. He's as tight as he wants to be in any given song.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members charveldan Posted March 29, 2009 Members Share Posted March 29, 2009 He's a great player when he stays off the Booze. I hear he travels with his own privately made stock & it's very prestigous to be invited to his room / trailer backstage, to partake in consumption of refreshments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members grayeyes777 Posted March 29, 2009 Members Share Posted March 29, 2009 half and half. less sloppy than hendrix but not quite as much vibe. if you play too clean then i usually don't like you as much... ? lol. I didn't know how to word that any better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DevilRaysFan Posted March 29, 2009 Members Share Posted March 29, 2009 I'd say best guitarist at that time that was and still is ridiculously famous. There was tons of better guys back then. That was my argument in another thread. Rory Gallagher and Sweet's Andy Scott are two contemporaries of that time that I can name off the top of my bald head that were great players but nowhere near as famous Page penned some great songs but Jones and Bonham were the engine of the Led Zeppellin sound. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ZCat Posted March 29, 2009 Members Share Posted March 29, 2009 that's great tone there. is that the Hiwatt? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Vicious1080 Posted March 29, 2009 Members Share Posted March 29, 2009 that's great tone there. is that the Hiwatt? idk but i bet'cha good money dougs got a roccaforte that can cop that tone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members charveldan Posted March 29, 2009 Members Share Posted March 29, 2009 that's great tone there. is that the Hiwatt?He uses Harry Joyce amps, who like Ken Fisher is now passed on. Joyce used to work for Hi-watt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members rrrajo Posted March 29, 2009 Members Share Posted March 29, 2009 Page penned some great songs but Jones and Bonham were the engine of the Led Zeppellin sound. Oddly enough, Page hasn't played on worthy note since Bonham died. Bonham could make anyone sound good. Page was great in his own right, though. He did some tough pull-offs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Ron Burgandy Posted March 29, 2009 Members Share Posted March 29, 2009 WOw, HCAF as a whole wouldn't know a great guitar player if it smacked them upside the head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Philbigtime Posted March 29, 2009 Members Share Posted March 29, 2009 you decide for the record this version of this song is my favorite zepp cut. ever. This is only proof that knowledge of melody outweighs super-clean guitaring. What a great cut. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members leadfootdriver Posted March 29, 2009 Members Share Posted March 29, 2009 This thread is fitting... I fell off' the Zep wagon again this week, and have been obsessing on the Re-release of TSRTS Movie, with the extra cuts. That was a long ass concert with the extra music. It rocks. LZ is my favorite band, and they killed it in the 70's... 'Ain't no fanboy bands today that can even compare. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members imgooley Posted March 29, 2009 Members Share Posted March 29, 2009 Loose=/=sloppy. For the style of music he played, he played loose by necessity. Especially in the early days, since they played so much blues. Blues that's tight and precise is boring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members theAntihero Posted March 29, 2009 Members Share Posted March 29, 2009 Blues that's tight and precise is boring. I agree, its more about the feel. Overbending, microbending and looseness just adds to atmosphere of the music. The same could be said about Page. He can play really loose, or very precise if needed, but more poeople remember their songs where Page was playing pretty loose like Rock and Roll IMHO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members imgooley Posted March 29, 2009 Members Share Posted March 29, 2009 but more poeople remember their songs where Page was playing pretty loose like Rock and Roll IMHO. Or Black Dog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Bumhucker Posted March 29, 2009 Members Share Posted March 29, 2009 you'd be sloppy, too, on heroin and Jack Daniels /thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members NaturalBornBoy Posted March 29, 2009 Members Share Posted March 29, 2009 exactly. {censored}ing AMAZING player, one of the greatest songwriters of all time, but he was sloppy as {censored} live. Doesnt make him any less amazing. This!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members theAntihero Posted March 29, 2009 Members Share Posted March 29, 2009 Or Black Dog True, can you imagine what that song would sound like played very precisely? Not everyone is a Vai/super-technical-precise-guitarist fan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Bumhucker Posted March 29, 2009 Members Share Posted March 29, 2009 True, can you imagine what that song would sound like played very precisely?Not everyone is a Vai/super-technical-precise-guitarist fan. Exactly, blues and rock don't have to follow the beat with precision. Thats what gives it some soul. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members imgooley Posted March 29, 2009 Members Share Posted March 29, 2009 True, can you imagine what that song would sound like played very precisely?Not everyone is a Vai/super-technical-precise-guitarist fan. Exactly. I was having this conversation with my brother. He wants to cover that song in his band, but his bandmates can't play loose like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members theAntihero Posted March 29, 2009 Members Share Posted March 29, 2009 Exactly, blues and rock don't have to follow the beat with precision. Thats what gives it some soul. Especially so in the psychedelic rock era side of things. You really want too much distortion, too much reverb, too much volume, a little too much of a bend. Interestingly something thats slightly flawed is harder to reproduce than something thats perfect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members blargh Posted March 29, 2009 Members Share Posted March 29, 2009 sloppy, but lets face it, only virginal metal nerds care about that sort of thing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DevilRaysFan Posted March 29, 2009 Members Share Posted March 29, 2009 I agree, its more about the feel. Overbending, microbending and looseness just adds to atmosphere of the music.The same could be said about Page. He can play really loose, or very precise if needed, but more poeople remember their songs where Page was playing pretty loose like Rock and Roll IMHO. I agree, but Page to me was 'too sloppy'. You dont hear that kind of inconsistancy in guys like Albert King or Rory Gallagher. Sure, Ive heard those blues tribute albums by shredmasters and it was basically a soul-less 'blues-o-mania' licksfest, but Page was on the oppositte side of that spectrum. A lot of times he sounded like he had only played guitar for a few weeks(exaggeration). On a lighter note, Page did have many awesome moments and I would much rather hear him play the blues than Steve Vai Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members theAntihero Posted March 29, 2009 Members Share Posted March 29, 2009 I agree, but Page to me was 'too sloppy'. You dont hear that kind of inconsistancy in guys like Albert King or Rory Gallagher. Sure, Ive heard those blues tribute albums by shredmasters and it was basically a soul-less 'blues-o-mania' licksfest, but Page was on the oppositte side of that spectrum. A lot of times he sounded like he had only played guitar for a few weeks(exaggeration). But again think of Rock and Roll or Black Dog played by vai or some other precise mechanical guitarist, more than likely it would suck. Page also was a studio musician for awhile and played on bunches of records, if he was that sloppy he wouldnt have done this, plus some of the acoustic stuff he does is definetly not sloppy. He could be sloppy but he could also turn it off and be very precise,which is a gift i think. Do you think Vai could be sloppy ala' Page even if he tried? Do you think it would sound good? On a lighter note, Page did have many awesome moments and I would much rather hear him play the blues than Steve Vai Very much in agreement here. Heck im not even sure Vai can play blues, maybe bluez but not blues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members jaytee123 Posted March 29, 2009 Members Share Posted March 29, 2009 jimmy is a riff master, but he played beyond his speed limit. Exactly. Within his limits, he did some amazing stuff that was clean playing...there should have been a third option "depends what he is playing" There is always this craptacular gem, though... [YOUTUBE]p35XWzYrUWk[/YOUTUBE] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members JoshIsNumber2 Posted March 29, 2009 Members Share Posted March 29, 2009 I love it when fanboys list their reasons on why differing opinions on their most revered subject don't apply because of reasons xyz. YOU WOULD BE SLOPPY TOO IF YOU WERE STRUNG OUT ON HEROIN AND JACK AND PLAYED BLUES AND WERE ONE OF THE MOST FAMOUS GUITAR GODS OF ALL TIME Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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