Members theAntihero Posted March 29, 2009 Members Share Posted March 29, 2009 YOU WOULD BE SLOPPY TOO IF YOU WERE STRUNG OUT ON HEROIN AND JACK AND PLAYED BLUES AND WERE ONE OF THE MOST FAMOUS GUITAR GODS OF ALL TIME So all blues players are sloppy? As are every famous guitarist? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members JoshIsNumber2 Posted March 29, 2009 Members Share Posted March 29, 2009 The argument could probably be horribly perverted to that direction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Alex W Posted March 29, 2009 Members Share Posted March 29, 2009 Expound on exactly what you mean by "sloppy". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members grayeyes777 Posted March 29, 2009 Members Share Posted March 29, 2009 at the end of the day... who cares. zep collectively made some good music. no one is perfect and those who are are boring as crap (ala shred players... no disrespect). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members FuzzyDXMG Posted March 29, 2009 Members Share Posted March 29, 2009 what the hell happaned there???? its like his output dropped 50 % on his lp. ON topic....His "sloppiness" I truly envy. I love the dirty sound he always played. He is playing an instrument as an art form, not for accuracy points or to be graded on tonal accuracy. No one ever asked if picasso or monet were sloppy......its just there style. Its funny cause I had this same convo with one of my non guitar buddies the other day when he said the most articulate, and tightest guitar player in history was/is Page. You want accuracy/tightness Look to petrucci or that japanese guy that i could give a {censored} less about. I want soul in my guitar playing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members mike moriarty Posted March 29, 2009 Members Share Posted March 29, 2009 I consider his playing to be pretty tight considering the type of music he was making, especially compared to his peers at the time. Hendrix and Iommi are players from that time that I would consider sloppy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Mr R Gecko Posted March 29, 2009 Members Share Posted March 29, 2009 Very sloppy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members newholland Posted March 29, 2009 Members Share Posted March 29, 2009 i always wonder why this comes up... truthfully, i think the only people who care are people who practice to metronomes religiously. he had an impeccable sense of rhythm and swing, and wrote GREAT songs. were they melodic and poppy? sometimes, but mostly not.. but his sense of time and push and pull rhythmically totally helped define SEVERAL generations of players... i'll add another answer to the poll: c) who cares, i like music. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Ron Burgandy Posted March 29, 2009 Members Share Posted March 29, 2009 i always wonder why this comes up... truthfully, i think the only people who care are people who practice to metronomes religiously. he had an impeccable sense of rhythm and swing, and wrote GREAT songs. were they melodic and poppy? sometimes, but mostly not.. but his sense of time and push and pull rhythmically totally helped define SEVERAL generations of players... i'll add another answer to the poll: c) who cares, i like music. His ability to play around the beat is second to none. I have to say Page influenced my playing more so than any other guitar player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members BeanoBoy Posted March 29, 2009 Members Share Posted March 29, 2009 Sloppy in a good way. Fabulously creative and confident in his vision. You know who it is immediately. Page oozed attitude. Admire his music more as time goes by. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members White_Van Posted March 29, 2009 Members Share Posted March 29, 2009 When I hear "Jimmy Page is sloppy" I replace the word sloppy with "has character and a unique approach to the instrument". It's half of his and Zepp's appeal. They were loose and improvisatory, much due to the absolute domination that Bonham held over the rhythm of the song, with a drummer that good, you can stray a little and take chances. Part of the reason that I find a lot of guitar playing today boring is because it sounds like some dude was trying to play as clinically "perfect" as possible, to the point where it sacrifices character and uniqueness, and ultimately sacrifices the music. All that said, JP was and is to this day, the {censored}ing riff king. None can touch him in that regard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members charveldan Posted March 29, 2009 Members Share Posted March 29, 2009 If Jimmy, Robert, and the boys would have been scrutinized by the current music industry standards of today 40 years ago, there would be no Zeppelin as we know it today.They were allowed to grow and develop in thier own way, and to make $$$ doing it.It seems the thing to do today is get on the "bashing bandwagon" and focus on what someone "can't " do, I.E. american idol, instead of helping them build upon thier strengths. Shows like idol, might make for good ratings & entertainment, but as long as people are being co-erced into what the "should be" or "what they need to be", we will never know who they really are or what they "could" be.I feel the music industry ethics are as low as they can be.It's not about the music anymore, it's about CD sales.:blah: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Sex Panther Posted March 29, 2009 Members Share Posted March 29, 2009 Jesus Christ. Sounds like it should be titled "Jimmy Page shreds". FTR, I love Zeppelin, think Page is/was a great songwriter. However, he was always one of my least favorite lead players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members diddlybo Posted March 29, 2009 Members Share Posted March 29, 2009 That was at the Atlantic records party in 1988. It was the first time he had played live in some time and it showed. I've read comments from Page and other musicians that he had a big problem with stage fright throughout much of his career. I think this night he may have had a little too much Jack before the show to calm his nerves. He has been quoted as saying that performance "did a lot of damage" to his reputation. I think he rocks. I don't consider his playing sloppy, it was just his style of playing. But you're right, that particular performance was a craptacular. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Sex Panther Posted March 29, 2009 Members Share Posted March 29, 2009 That was at the Atlantic records party in 1988. It was the first time he had played live in some time and it showed. I've read comments from Page and other musicians that he had a big problem with stage fright throughout much of his career. I think this night he may have had a little too much Jack before the show to calm his nerves. He has been quoted as saying that performance "did a lot of damage" to his reputation. I think he rocks. I don't consider his playing sloppy, it was just his style of playing. But you're right, that particular performance was a craptacular. Everyone is allowed an awful night. That late in his career, I don't think it did any damage to his rep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Scott K Posted March 29, 2009 Members Share Posted March 29, 2009 sloppy as {censored}, but the best guitarist at that time. so many good riffs. Yikes. John Mclaughlin smoked the {censored} out of Jimmy and always will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members diddlybo Posted March 29, 2009 Members Share Posted March 29, 2009 Everyone is allowed an awful night. True. I allow myself to have one pretty much every week. I don't want my fan to get spoiled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Sex Panther Posted March 29, 2009 Members Share Posted March 29, 2009 True. I allow myself to have one pretty much every week. I don't want my fan to get spoiled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members zehn Posted March 29, 2009 Members Share Posted March 29, 2009 Sloppy as {censored} and I've never really liked him that much as a guitarist *dons flame suit* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Johnny'sGotTheBlues Posted March 29, 2009 Members Share Posted March 29, 2009 I'm going to stay out of this thread before I get pissed off right quick. aka 'this'Jesus, are we joined at the hip lately or what??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Alex W Posted March 29, 2009 Members Share Posted March 29, 2009 What does it really matter if he was sloppy or if there were better guitarists at the time. Not everyone wants to sound like Yngwie Malmsteen. Show me someone who influenced rock and roll more or inspired more people to pick up a guitar. His music helped define a generation. I wish I could play like he does. I wish I could play like Hendrix. If those two are considered sloppy then sign me up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Soundstorm Posted March 29, 2009 Members Share Posted March 29, 2009 you decide for the record this version of this song is my favorite zepp cut. ever. My favorite Zep track as well. Hard to argue with that song. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Tommy Van Dyke Posted March 29, 2009 Members Share Posted March 29, 2009 Super sloppy and it sounds great, guitar is about expression and his playing is very inspiring to me. When I hear his playing I know its Jimmy Page! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Soundstorm Posted March 29, 2009 Members Share Posted March 29, 2009 that's great tone there. is that the Hiwatt? Marshall Plexis and Orange at that show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members frankie pajamas Posted March 29, 2009 Members Share Posted March 29, 2009 there should be a controlled slop category Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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