Members Exocaster Posted March 30, 2009 Members Share Posted March 30, 2009 c) who cares, i like music. This is my answer as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Flogger59 Posted March 30, 2009 Members Share Posted March 30, 2009 His solo on No Quarter Live from the Ablum is sick! They buther the solo in the movie and cut it short... Page plays from the heart and is amazing in the whole movie... Sloppy is not really an applicable term ACFAIC...! That solo kills me, from the comping during the keyboard solo, and all the way through. Talk about guys who listen to each other. I have a bootleg from 71 or 72 where Page does some sweep picking, the first and only time I've heard that from him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Sex Panther Posted March 30, 2009 Members Share Posted March 30, 2009 plays....guitar? Beat me to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Sex Panther Posted March 30, 2009 Members Share Posted March 30, 2009 He also does an arpeggiated sweep in the solo of Since I've been loving you. Long before anyone else did that. I grew with Jimmy Page being my idol, he's the reason I started playing guitar.(I started out a drummer) I've spent many years learning how to play like him, and I also have a lot of respect for his song writing and production.Growing up I never once heard anyone say he's sloppy.That all started in the 80's with some balless new wave guitar playerwho was asked what he thought of Jimmy Page. [YOUTUBE]YZMFG7A-O_A[/YOUTUBE][YOUTUBE]jaHMGB5kwsQ[/YOUTUBE] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Ultrahighgain Posted March 30, 2009 Members Share Posted March 30, 2009 He also does an arpeggiated sweep in the solo of Since I've been loving you. Long before anyone else did that. I grew with Jimmy Page being my idol, he's the reason I started playing guitar.(I started out a drummer) I've spent many years learning how to play like him, and I also have a lot of respect for his song writing and production.Growing up I never once heard anyone say he's sloppy.That all started in the 80's with some balless new wave guitar playerwho was asked what he thought of Jimmy Page. Are you referring to the "two years old with a broken hand" comment? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Sex Panther Posted March 30, 2009 Members Share Posted March 30, 2009 2nd one is fake. 1st one, not so much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members JoshIsNumber2 Posted March 30, 2009 Members Share Posted March 30, 2009 People that discredit Jimmy Page due to his sloppy leads aren't really getting the point that people who give unwarranted praise to a popular artist are the only ones who can objectively view their merits? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members mike-o Posted March 30, 2009 Members Share Posted March 30, 2009 that people who give unwarranted praise to a popular artist are the only ones who can objectively view their merits? Jimmy is about creativity, not technical skill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members JoshIsNumber2 Posted March 30, 2009 Members Share Posted March 30, 2009 I'm pretty sure that creativity and technical skill go hand in hand, it is only guitarists who suggest otherwise. I'm sure that Michaelangelo's sculptures and paintings wouldn't have been a fraction as amazing if he didn't have the technical skill to supplement his own creativity. If Rachmaninoff didn't have the technical prowess in composing, the Vespers would have been another hack trying to pass off mediocrity. If Jimmy Page plays a song cleanly, it is testament to his ability to play fluidly. If he plays a song sloppily, it is a testament to his creativity and how he doesn't need to be technically skilled. Double standard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members newholland Posted March 30, 2009 Members Share Posted March 30, 2009 I'm pretty sure that creativity and technical skill go hand in hand, it is only guitarists who suggest otherwise.I'm sure that Michaelangelo's sculptures and paintings wouldn't have been a fraction as amazing if he didn't have the technical skill to supplement his own creativity. If Rachmaninoff didn't have the technical prowess in composing, the Vespers would have been another hack trying to pass off mediocrity.If Jimmy Page plays a song cleanly, it is testament to his ability to play fluidly. If he plays a song sloppily, it is a testament to his creativity and how he doesn't need to be technically skilled. Double standard. i am, in fact, certain, that this is NOT the case. i know way too many technically perfect guitarists who could put their skills better to being the worlds foremost touch typing speed champions FAR better than songwriting... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members jimijam Posted March 30, 2009 Members Share Posted March 30, 2009 His ability to play around the beat is second to none. I have to say Page influenced my playing more so than any other guitar player. AYE! I wish I could play (Song Remains the Same "Dazed n Confused")like he did after the bow part... That whole solo section RULES even if some of that was from 2 or 3 shows spliced together... Oh one reason Page gets bashed is because everyone wishes they too hadVintage Plexi's and REAL 1959 Les-Pauls to wank on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Exocaster Posted March 30, 2009 Members Share Posted March 30, 2009 Technical skill is absolutely irrelevant to creating compelling rock music. Doesn't mean a damn thing. It's not about that. I think to suggest otherwise is to show you don't get rock. And that's fine; I'm not asking you to. But shred metal and fusion are really pretty divorced from rock as genres, and applying their technical standards- which is where this "Page/Hendrix/etc. are sloppy lesser players" really comes from- is kind of a silly argument. The only people who think it matters are those looking to reinforce their own sense of superiority for playing or being into stuff that's super-chops focused. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members JoshIsNumber2 Posted March 30, 2009 Members Share Posted March 30, 2009 It's simply because rock music itself is a genre with low standards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members BadRonald Posted March 30, 2009 Members Share Posted March 30, 2009 Really guys. You don't have to defend Jimmy Page. His legacy speaks for itself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Cold Gin Posted March 30, 2009 Members Share Posted March 30, 2009 He's a great sloppy guitarist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members jimijam Posted March 30, 2009 Members Share Posted March 30, 2009 Technical skill is absolutely irrelevant to creating compelling rock music. Doesn't mean a damn thing. It's not about that. I think to suggest otherwise is to show you don't get rock. And that's fine; I'm not asking you to. But shred metal and fusion are really pretty divorced from rock as genres, and applying their technical standards- which is where this "Page/Hendrix/etc. are sloppy lesser players" really comes from- is kind of a silly argument. The only people who think it matters are those looking to reinforce their own sense of superiority for playing or being into stuff that's super-chops focused. "stuff that's super-chops focused"This I can take precise, technically executed guitar playing if it is applied in a Jazz context or classical or even orchestrated pieces . . . however in ROCKHELL NOI cannot think of too many players that are super-chops focused and at the same time can hold my interest. I like it loose Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members BadRonald Posted March 30, 2009 Members Share Posted March 30, 2009 I can take precise, technically executed guitar playing if it is applied in a Jazz context or classical or even orchestrated pieces . . . however in ROCK HELL NO +1000.I much prefer guys who are skating on the edge. Lee, Hendrix, Angus, Richards, EVH, SRV, BB King, there's tons of them, to a guy that is a super precise player that makes all the notes sound the same. That is not rock with fire and it's boring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members newholland Posted March 30, 2009 Members Share Posted March 30, 2009 It's simply because rock music itself is a genre with low standards. then all hail low standards. you are seriously silly. if emotive standards were the bar set, there's some technical music that falls pretty freakin' short in that regard... so i'd just let 'er go... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members glenecho Posted March 30, 2009 Members Share Posted March 30, 2009 Led Zeppelin would have sounded pretty {censored}ing stupid with Jeff Loomis wanking all over it. and I'm a fan of both. I swore I'd stay out of this thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members newholland Posted March 30, 2009 Members Share Posted March 30, 2009 Led Zeppelin would have sounded pretty {censored}ing stupid with Jeff Loomis wanking all over it. and I'm a fan of both. I swore I'd stay out of this thread here here!it ain't the notes played, nor the number, but the appropriateness to the context.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members jimijam Posted March 30, 2009 Members Share Posted March 30, 2009 here here!it ain't the notes played, nor the number, but the appropriateness to the context.... Bravo! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members cobrahead1030 Posted March 30, 2009 Members Share Posted March 30, 2009 in the studio he pulled everything off amazingly live he was pure slop...you can praise him all you want for the better points of his playing and writing, i won't discredit any of that, the guy was sloppy hendrix wasn't the cleanest of players either, but he made it work for his style better IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Ron Burgandy Posted March 30, 2009 Members Share Posted March 30, 2009 in the studio he pulled everything off amazingly live he was pure slop...you can praise him all you want for the better points of his playing and writing, i won't discredit any of that, the guy was sloppy hendrix wasn't the cleanest of players either, but he made it work for his style better IMO That's how blues based rock bands work. They get "in the moment" and play their asses off. This is especially true with Zep, as they never really played the studio versions live. Ever. You're just severely out of your element here, and have no idea what you're talking about. Metal players seem to thrive on their clean, technical playing, however that style of "solo" would be total garbage to those of us that dig Zeppelin. What you consider sloppy, is what we consider soulful, emotional playing. On that same note, that's why I hate shred guitar. No emotion and far too precise as if every note was written out beforehand. That just involves practicing repetitively until it's perfect. Emotion cannot be taught. If you'll notice, Pagey always finishes clean and where he wants to be. If not he bends the note until it fits. The dude knew/knows what he was/is doing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Exocaster Posted March 30, 2009 Members Share Posted March 30, 2009 Led Zeppelin would have sounded pretty {censored}ing stupid with Jeff Loomis wanking all over it. and I'm a fan of both. This.Loomis would sound as silly sweeping diminished arps on Led Zep tunes as Page would ripping blues licks on Nevermore tracks. Context is everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Mr_GoodBomb Posted March 30, 2009 Members Share Posted March 30, 2009 Who {censored}ing cares? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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