Members teemuk Posted September 12, 2012 Members Share Posted September 12, 2012 So they should basically hand them out for free... why?People pay considerable sums of money for tube replacements, whether they are a neccessity or just a result of joys of swapping things around. Folks immediately taking the bias that solid-state "special tubes" should cost less or only the price of any other generic tube is just one symptom of the underlying attitude that ensures these products always fail in the markets.It's a niche product, expect to pay accordingly. They surely won't sell a lot of these for starters, yet the investors are probably expecting them to generate some profit. Low volume of sales with low revenue will ensure such products are withdrawn from production in an eyeblink.Bottom line...for this idea to have any success at all, the important factor is that people must be convinced that they really need such product. Kinda like a huge mass is convinced that they need to have tubes in their amps. Then they'll pay almost any price. Sound has rarely ever been an issue. For all it's worth, looks always seem to pay a more important role. I sure can't recall much on topic commentary about tone of Retrovalves or Wattgrinders for instance... Much better looking than retrovalves. It's kind of silly, but that means a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members RaceU4her Posted September 12, 2012 Members Share Posted September 12, 2012 Originally Posted by Hardvalve This has been tried over and over and over and over and..............................None have been successful yet..... this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members RaceU4her Posted September 12, 2012 Members Share Posted September 12, 2012 Originally Posted by Hardvalve This has been tried over and over and over and over and..............................None have been successful yet..... this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Spaced Out Ace Posted September 12, 2012 Members Share Posted September 12, 2012 My only concern with "SS Tubes" is that, in the Fryette manual, it says "No SS substitutions". Granted, that's for the Rectifier tube, but I'd still be hesitant to try it in the preamp or power amp tube slots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Spaced Out Ace Posted September 12, 2012 Members Share Posted September 12, 2012 My only concern with "SS Tubes" is that, in the Fryette manual, it says "No SS substitutions". Granted, that's for the Rectifier tube, but I'd still be hesitant to try it in the preamp or power amp tube slots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members peavey_impact Posted September 12, 2012 Members Share Posted September 12, 2012 Originally Posted by pioneerprogress I agree to a point but I think a lot of folks' issue with them, like mine, is probably pricing. Because if I'd have to buy 2-3 tubes to make up for the cost difference of one of these tube replacements, I'd rather just buy the tubes. I so rarely change tubes, and honestly most folks are probably the same way: they get replaced when they fail, or are showing signs of potentially failing. The only real market they have at their current pricing is for musicians who are on the road all year long. If their pricing was comparable to the actual tube they replace, I'd think a lot harder about it. AMT has always amazed me with how affordable their products are especially considering the high quality. I'd bet these SS toobs will be very fairly priced. I will be buying at least one AMT preamp tube if/when they are released Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members peavey_impact Posted September 12, 2012 Members Share Posted September 12, 2012 Originally Posted by pioneerprogress I agree to a point but I think a lot of folks' issue with them, like mine, is probably pricing. Because if I'd have to buy 2-3 tubes to make up for the cost difference of one of these tube replacements, I'd rather just buy the tubes. I so rarely change tubes, and honestly most folks are probably the same way: they get replaced when they fail, or are showing signs of potentially failing. The only real market they have at their current pricing is for musicians who are on the road all year long. If their pricing was comparable to the actual tube they replace, I'd think a lot harder about it. AMT has always amazed me with how affordable their products are especially considering the high quality. I'd bet these SS toobs will be very fairly priced. I will be buying at least one AMT preamp tube if/when they are released Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members guitarbilly74 Posted September 12, 2012 Members Share Posted September 12, 2012 Originally Posted by teemuk So they should basically hand them out for free... why? People pay considerable sums of money for tube replacements, whether they are a neccessity or just a result of joys of swapping things around. Folks immediately taking the bias that solid-state "special tubes" should cost less or only the price of any other generic tube is just one symptom of the underlying attitude that ensures these products always fail in the markets. It's a niche product, expect to pay accordingly. They surely won't sell a lot of these for starters, yet the investors are probably expecting them to generate some profit. Low volume of sales with low revenue will ensure such products are withdrawn from production in an eyeblink. Bottom line...for this idea to have any success at all, the important factor is that people must be convinced that they really need such product. Kinda like a huge mass is convinced that they need to have tubes in their amps. Then they'll pay almost any price. Sound has rarely ever been an issue. For all it's worth, looks always seem to pay a more important role. I sure can't recall much on topic commentary about tone of Retrovalves or Wattgrinders for instance... Dude, everything that ever comes out of your mouth is highly biased against tube circuits and if I am not mistaken you are a mod at a SS forum, your post are borderline insane. Sound is not an issue? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members guitarbilly74 Posted September 12, 2012 Members Share Posted September 12, 2012 Originally Posted by teemuk So they should basically hand them out for free... why? People pay considerable sums of money for tube replacements, whether they are a neccessity or just a result of joys of swapping things around. Folks immediately taking the bias that solid-state "special tubes" should cost less or only the price of any other generic tube is just one symptom of the underlying attitude that ensures these products always fail in the markets. It's a niche product, expect to pay accordingly. They surely won't sell a lot of these for starters, yet the investors are probably expecting them to generate some profit. Low volume of sales with low revenue will ensure such products are withdrawn from production in an eyeblink. Bottom line...for this idea to have any success at all, the important factor is that people must be convinced that they really need such product. Kinda like a huge mass is convinced that they need to have tubes in their amps. Then they'll pay almost any price. Sound has rarely ever been an issue. For all it's worth, looks always seem to pay a more important role. I sure can't recall much on topic commentary about tone of Retrovalves or Wattgrinders for instance... Dude, everything that ever comes out of your mouth is highly biased against tube circuits and if I am not mistaken you are a mod at a SS forum, your post are borderline insane. Sound is not an issue? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Spaced Out Ace Posted September 12, 2012 Members Share Posted September 12, 2012 Originally Posted by guitarbilly74 Dude, everything that ever comes out of your mouth is highly biased against tube circuits and if I am not mistaken you are a mod at a SS forum, your post are borderline insane. Sound is not an issue? "Hurr-da-durrr" is all I got from his post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Spaced Out Ace Posted September 12, 2012 Members Share Posted September 12, 2012 Originally Posted by guitarbilly74 Dude, everything that ever comes out of your mouth is highly biased against tube circuits and if I am not mistaken you are a mod at a SS forum, your post are borderline insane. Sound is not an issue? "Hurr-da-durrr" is all I got from his post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members peavey_impact Posted September 12, 2012 Members Share Posted September 12, 2012 Originally Posted by guitarbilly74 Dude, everything that ever comes out of your mouth is highly biased against tube circuits and if I am not mistaken you are a mod at a SS forum, your post are borderline insane. Sound is not an issue? No {censored}, I used to think teemuk was a great poster because the dude has a vast knowledge of old and obscure amps, but damn lately it's like he {censored}ing hates EVERYTHING. Seriously teemuk, what DO you consider good guitar gear?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members peavey_impact Posted September 12, 2012 Members Share Posted September 12, 2012 Originally Posted by guitarbilly74 Dude, everything that ever comes out of your mouth is highly biased against tube circuits and if I am not mistaken you are a mod at a SS forum, your post are borderline insane. Sound is not an issue? No {censored}, I used to think teemuk was a great poster because the dude has a vast knowledge of old and obscure amps, but damn lately it's like he {censored}ing hates EVERYTHING. Seriously teemuk, what DO you consider good guitar gear?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Spaced Out Ace Posted September 12, 2012 Members Share Posted September 12, 2012 Originally Posted by peavey_impact No {censored}, I used to think teemuk was a great poster because the dude has a vast knowledge of old and obscure amps, but damn lately it's like he {censored}ing hates EVERYTHING. Seriously teemuk, what DO you consider good guitar gear?? Only fuzzy, carpet covered Randall's, cuz Dimebag said so. Not that there is anything wrong with them, but obviously they are SS and they give teemuk reacharounds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Spaced Out Ace Posted September 12, 2012 Members Share Posted September 12, 2012 Originally Posted by peavey_impact No {censored}, I used to think teemuk was a great poster because the dude has a vast knowledge of old and obscure amps, but damn lately it's like he {censored}ing hates EVERYTHING. Seriously teemuk, what DO you consider good guitar gear?? Only fuzzy, carpet covered Randall's, cuz Dimebag said so. Not that there is anything wrong with them, but obviously they are SS and they give teemuk reacharounds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members RaceU4her Posted September 13, 2012 Members Share Posted September 13, 2012 Originally Posted by peavey_impact No {censored}, I used to think teemuk was a great poster because the dude has a vast knowledge of old and obscure amps, but damn lately it's like he {censored}ing hates EVERYTHING. Seriously teemuk, what DO you consider good guitar gear?? except for a few i cant remember who posts what day to day Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members RaceU4her Posted September 13, 2012 Members Share Posted September 13, 2012 Originally Posted by peavey_impact No {censored}, I used to think teemuk was a great poster because the dude has a vast knowledge of old and obscure amps, but damn lately it's like he {censored}ing hates EVERYTHING. Seriously teemuk, what DO you consider good guitar gear?? except for a few i cant remember who posts what day to day Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DeadNight Warrior Posted September 13, 2012 Members Share Posted September 13, 2012 What happened with that little head AMT were doing? Is that actually out now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DeadNight Warrior Posted September 13, 2012 Members Share Posted September 13, 2012 What happened with that little head AMT were doing? Is that actually out now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Spaced Out Ace Posted September 13, 2012 Members Share Posted September 13, 2012 Originally Posted by DeadNight Warrior What happened with that little head AMT were doing? Is that actually out now? The Stonehead? I think so... and it sounds pretty bad ass. Think I saw some people selling it on eBay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Spaced Out Ace Posted September 13, 2012 Members Share Posted September 13, 2012 Originally Posted by DeadNight Warrior What happened with that little head AMT were doing? Is that actually out now? The Stonehead? I think so... and it sounds pretty bad ass. Think I saw some people selling it on eBay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members NeloAngelo Posted September 13, 2012 Members Share Posted September 13, 2012 Originally Posted by Lucius And this folks is the end of AMT. Fly to close to the sun..fly to close to the sun. Cheers, Lucius Fly on your way like an eagle Fly as high as the sun On your wings like an eagle Fly and touch the sun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members NeloAngelo Posted September 13, 2012 Members Share Posted September 13, 2012 Originally Posted by Lucius And this folks is the end of AMT. Fly to close to the sun..fly to close to the sun. Cheers, Lucius Fly on your way like an eagle Fly as high as the sun On your wings like an eagle Fly and touch the sun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Spaced Out Ace Posted September 13, 2012 Members Share Posted September 13, 2012 Originally Posted by NeloAngelo Fly on your way like an eagle Fly as high as the sun On your wings like an eagle Fly and touch the sun Piece of Mind is a lovely album. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Spaced Out Ace Posted September 13, 2012 Members Share Posted September 13, 2012 Originally Posted by NeloAngelo Fly on your way like an eagle Fly as high as the sun On your wings like an eagle Fly and touch the sun Piece of Mind is a lovely album. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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