Members Tedster Posted October 21, 2005 Members Share Posted October 21, 2005 Originally posted by Gabriel E. With a few exceptions, this list has been pretty white so far. Interesting considering most Western pop music is heavily blues and R&B based. That's 'cuz we were waiting for you to stop by and fix it. Has anyone mentioned Quincy Jones yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Ernest Buckley Posted October 21, 2005 Members Share Posted October 21, 2005 George Martin: Without him the Beatles are not THE BEATLES. Brian Wilson: The man hears things differently. Inspiring the rest of us to explore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Lee Knight Posted October 21, 2005 Moderators Share Posted October 21, 2005 Bob Dylan (for creating something completely new)Pete Townsend (unique, uncomprimising vision)Jimmy Page (mostly for his vision/production)Jon Brion (Victrola symphonies)Brian Wilson (he brought depth to pop)Stevie Wonder (just 'cause)Tom Waits (insane?)Jimi Hendrix (for creating something completely new)Marvin Gaye (for channeling God's voice)Paul McCartney (just 'cause)Chuck Berry (great lyricist)Robbie Robertson (for twisting the ordinary into the sublime) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members myshkin Posted October 21, 2005 Author Members Share Posted October 21, 2005 Better get a bit more modernHartnoll brothers aka OrbitalRick Smith + Karl Hyde aka UnderworldThe Orb ie Alex Paterson + whoeverJimmy Cauty of KLFBeck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members boosh Posted October 21, 2005 Members Share Posted October 21, 2005 Ahmet ErtegunSir George MartinTom DowdBruce SwedienAnton Philips And all of the other people who made it possible for artists to record and distribute their works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members meccajay Posted October 21, 2005 Members Share Posted October 21, 2005 George Clinton- Not for genious with musical theory, but genius with musical application. On the recent PBS special, George mentioned that the song "Freak Of The Week" had over 60 musicians on it!! He said there were different people used in just about every new segment or change of the song. There were opera singers, scat vocalists, banjo players, rock guitar. Etc etc. He mentioned that more and more people kept asking to be on the song, so he just thought that was a good way to do it. The original song was a basic recording of a Moog bass & lead, guitar and Piano tracks from Junie Morrison. That's just sic.. genius sic. More here (click on productions) Catch the PBS special Let me also mention the incredibly sic, repugnantly funky genious of: Trevor Horn! My goodness the things he's done with abstract sounds as musical samples is beyond words!! Then, on the complete other side of the spectrum is the beautiful, melodic, and futuristic 'Moments In Love' from Art Of Noise. Have you listened to that track lately? Trevor Horn is the truth!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil O'Keefe Posted October 21, 2005 Share Posted October 21, 2005 I've seen a few additions to the list that I completely agree with - Dowd, Quincy Jones, Elvis Costello, Sir George Martin, etc. One I didn't see but think deserves the "genius" title: Burt Bacharach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members boosh Posted October 21, 2005 Members Share Posted October 21, 2005 :D :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil O'Keefe Posted October 21, 2005 Share Posted October 21, 2005 I think the "evil Boosh" personna has just been heard from... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil O'Keefe Posted October 21, 2005 Share Posted October 21, 2005 Originally posted by Bob Keelan James Jamerson Yup! Annd to avoid any charges of sexism, let's add Carol Kaye to the list too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Billster Posted October 22, 2005 Members Share Posted October 22, 2005 As I was listening to "Saxophone Collosus" this afternoon... SONNY ROLLINS :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Ernest Buckley Posted October 22, 2005 Members Share Posted October 22, 2005 Completely forgot about jazz...Duh... John ColtraneMiles DavisThelonius Monk My apologies...jeez. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members UstadKhanAli Posted October 22, 2005 Members Share Posted October 22, 2005 Bob MarleyLee "Scratch" PerryKing TubbyDjivan GasparyanPaul ReubensForrest GumpReverend Jim from "Taxi" And not to leave out the spiritually and pragmatically-minded: The Dalai LamaThich Naht HanhAung San Suu KyiAmachi (The Hugging Saint)John and Alice Coltrane Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Members Jotown Posted October 22, 2005 Members Share Posted October 22, 2005 Originally posted by meccajay George Clinton- Not for genious with musical theory, but genius with musical application. On the recent PBS special, George mentioned that the song "Freak Of The Week" had over 60 musicians on it!! He said there were different people used in just about every new segment or change of the song. I used to work with Jim Vitti an engieer that was involved in many of the Parliment/Funkadelic records. He told me that the sessions were pure chaos. Drugs everywhere. He would record reels and reels of overdubs becasue George would try everything and anything. Jim Vitti would spend days editing the 24 track tapes down to usable working versions. In the only PFunk session I ever attended it was like something out of a Peter Max painting. The engineers and technical people involved deserve a lot of credit for George Clintons success. They took complete chaos and turned into music. Other names. Tom Dowd.Joni Mitchell.Bob Dylan.Stevie Wonder.Prince.Duane Allman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members myshkin Posted October 22, 2005 Author Members Share Posted October 22, 2005 More moderns....Andrew WeatherallBjorkStone Roses in generalMorrissey+Marr?Robert Smith...much underrated Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Kiwiburger Posted October 22, 2005 Members Share Posted October 22, 2005 So what we are saying here is that you have to be a genius to make music that gets noticed ....? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members tedjamwell Posted October 22, 2005 Members Share Posted October 22, 2005 "Genius is 1% inspiration, 99% perspiration" - Benjamin Franklin Herbie Hancock-Keyboards, synth, funk, jazz all rolled into one Jaco Pastorius-life changing influence on a generation of bassists Ravi Shankar-Taught George to play Sitar and became a symbol of pop counter culture-even if not everyone understood what he was all about. Paul McCartney-from Ed Sullivan to the present day, has anyone been more prolific? A little early for 1960 -present, but can anyone argue with Ray Charles? Jimmy Page-Okay, Okay, some may argue, but how influential was Led Zeppelin's music? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members KB Gunn Posted October 22, 2005 Members Share Posted October 22, 2005 If we are talking true genius and not just talented musicians, here is my list: Stanley JordanYo Yo MaFrank ZappaSpringsteen(the other Bruce)Kerry Minnear of Gentle GiantDerek Shulman of Gentle GiantRod ArgentHerbie HancockAlanis MorissetteJeff BeckJared Leto (30 seconds to mars and talented actor)Mark Mothersbaugh (Devo)Jim MorrisonVan MorrisonStingJoss StoneLowell George (Little Feat)Steve WinwoodTori AmosTony Levin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Billster Posted October 23, 2005 Members Share Posted October 23, 2005 Originally posted by Kiwiburger So what we are saying here is that you have to be a genius to make music that gets noticed ....? Not necessarily. I think we are discussing musical geniuses. Some folks make music that gets noticed, but it has to do with a genius other than music. Marketing for instance. By that measure, Madonna is a genius. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members alfonso Posted October 23, 2005 Members Share Posted October 23, 2005 Robert Wyatt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members halljams Posted October 23, 2005 Members Share Posted October 23, 2005 Originally posted by Kiwiburger So what we are saying here is that you have to be a genius to make music that gets noticed ....? No. What is being said is that hard work and dedication are the main ingredients in genius, these listed names are the people who figured that out. And yes, in order to get noticed you have to work very hard and be very dedicated. To what degree you do that will determine how many people on a thread like this will type your name. I strongly believe that people who make music that communicates something attractive to other people will be heard and will become known over time. Where the confusion and all the bull{censored} about "oh this band is so talented but they can't get a break" or this or that kinda crap comes from, is where the artist is "out to get noticed" as opposed to "out to make their art".And books like "Ruthless self promotion in the music business" etc only steer people in a ridiculous direction away from what it is all about and make failure imminent. Bad music without the right ingredients and intentions will fail.The good stuff will not.It may not get on clear channel, but it will succeed in it's own way. The universe is self balancing.It's all about balance and we have no choice but to live with the reality of that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members halljams Posted October 23, 2005 Members Share Posted October 23, 2005 Duke Stevie wonder Mike Stipe Morrisey Miles Steve Gadd Sonny Rollins for sure! Aretha Al Green Gladys Knight Mutt Lang Sco Led Zeppelin The Beatles I think sometimes genius come collectively. Personally, i don't get Brian Wilson at all. I was filling in for someone in a band tonight and we played a song called "save a horse ride a cowboy" . It's not genius but it was kinda fun. And i hate modern country. So i guess there is more to music than genius. I'm going to bed now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Mike51 Posted October 23, 2005 Members Share Posted October 23, 2005 John LennonPaul McartneyDavid GilmourRoger WatersBrian WilsonSyd BarrettStephen DrodzWayne CoyneJimmy PagePete TownsendNeil YoungStephen MalkmusJay FarrarJeff TweedyGary LourisMark OlsonKeith RichardsBob Dylan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members myshkin Posted October 23, 2005 Author Members Share Posted October 23, 2005 Originally posted by Kiwiburger So what we are saying here is that you have to be a genius to make music that gets noticed ....? Well genius here has been farly loosely interpreted I'd say, but what the hell....everyone loves a music list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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