generation nothing

[the stranger]

 

Johnny Depp: This here's bat country.

 

 

I like the phrase "generation nothing". Alpha is a marketing genius. I still say this generation and everyone before it have still not freed themselves from the bonds of slavery.

Mankind has yet to awake. The message is the same. Yelled down through the ages and ignored by a people unable to be aware. Collective critical mass is inevitable. You just need to be more patient and try enjoying yourself instead of worry about generation juicy fruit. Eventually our collective consciousness will arise above the ills you speak of. Until then, life is a heaven or a hell. The choice is yours. I choose life. And it's a damn good bargain if you ask me. I don't disagree the world is {censored}. Been there, done that. Now I'm doing a new thing. I'm trying to be that change I want to see. I don't dwell on the negative and reinforce those energies. I dwell on the positive and take an active role in the power to manifest change.

 

Mind Over Matter.

[Synonym Music]

 

because you have nothing to say... breeze by with the wool over your eyes. you simply prove my point i suppose. its not a hole i dug that will be fallen in, its the hole in your own head that will be your own demise. the proof of difference is upon you, not me.

 

 

No you'll be affected by the choices of this generation just as much as anyone else, so it might be better to present or inspire than bitch and moan. You've done the latter this whole thread, you're not changing because you never wanted to change, and most likely never will, so even if your observations on a very large number of people (10s, 100s of millions?) are wrong - which they are - you don't care about that either.

 

So if you can't even present an argument with an accurate description of the demographic you're talking about, why should anyone listen to you? You're kind of jumping the gun wanting people to change when you don't who they are, aren't you?

 

That was not a rhetorical question by the way. The answer is yes.

 

As for me, I don't have to say anything. It won't matter to you, right? No. Maybe this is why people in this generation don't change.

[UstadKhanAli]

People see what they want to see. If they want to see a whole generation as having a certain trait, it's quite easy to do that. Branding an entire generation as being a certain way says far more about the speaker than it does about the generation.

[Corona]

That's right - someone on this forum has a great sig quote about specialisation being for insects. But if you want to have a credible political viewpoint on anything these days you really got to zero in on an issue that you can get to grips with I think. Unless of course you are one of those irritating polymaths that doesn't sleep . . .

 

Attribute the quote to Robert A. Heinlein who, like many of his fellow sci-fi golden age authors (Issac Asimov, Frank Herbert, Philip K. Dick, and Arthur C. Clarke) had a solid grasp of game theory. I think entertainment from mass media would typically be symbiotic. Occasional mutations, benign and malignant, are possible. Oddly, I now have the notion to print up t-shirts with "doubleplusgood." So, it goes.

[Super 8]

 

People see what they want to see. If they want to see a whole generation as having a certain trait, it's quite easy to do that. Branding an entire generation as being a certain way says far more about the speaker than it does about the generation.

 

 

Abso-freak'n-lutely. It's very telling.

[pickinatit]

 

I am currently reading my way through a book called "The heart of rock and soul" by Dave Marsh. Its a list of his top 1001 singles of all time. He makes a very interesting point regarding one of the famous "anti vietnam" songs (which one it is escapes me, I'll check later). To paraphrase, he says "yes, it was a great anti war song, but the record company would never have released it if it wasn't already clear how the public felt about Vietnam". Maybe I'm being cynical, but I'm pretty sure the American public would still have demanded withdrawal from Vietnam even if Lennon and Yoko hadn't been around... Sam

 

 

agreed, by the time the Beatles recorded and released "Give Peace A Chance", Nixon was already on his way to winning a second term running on the promise of "Peace with dignity".

[pickinatit]

The message in "I am the walrus" is hidden pretty deep I guess More important? I disagree with you on that one, but thats a matter of opinion. People do still sing about things that matter, its just that most of them don't make the top 40. For what its worth, I'd love to believe that musicians can really make a difference---and I'd rather listen to someone with something to say other than "ooh baby yeah". I just don't think that musicians are as powerful as people sometimes make them out to be! Oh, the song I was on abou earlier was Edwyn Starr's "War"

 

As a general rule I don't much give a crap about lyrics when I listen to music. When I was listening to and loving a lot of those "meaningful" songs back in the sixties and early seventies, I loved them for the musicality and often beautiful melodies, but most of the time I didn't even realize that they WERE protest songs.

[pickinatit]

The biggest problem facing politics is lack of participation. ...Maybe the large number of unopposed candidates means that the political process is something that puts off most people, and we end up with a large percentage of self-serving politicians while real leaders participate in private enterprise?

 

I agree that ideally "The People" should participate and we might be more likely to elect people to run things that are more reflective of the majority.

 

If, as some other posts claim, Corporate America really runs the Govt., aren't we better off that way since that's where the "REAL LEADERS" go instead of into politics ? Just a thought.

[Rabid]

People see what they want to see. If they want to see a whole generation as having a certain trait, it's quite easy to do that. Branding an entire generation as being a certain way says far more about the speaker than it does about the generation.

 

 

This is also the case with race, location, heritage, etc...

[Rudolf von Hagenwil]

I think the biggest problem with the body politic and state economy is cronyism, favouritism, and the inability, or better unwillingness of politicians to do the job they are getting the salary for.

 

In my view, it was always like that since antique times!

 

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[Geoff Grace]

 

agreed, by the time the Beatles recorded and released "Give Peace A Chance", Nixon was already on his way to winning a second term running on the promise of "Peace with dignity".

 

 

Sorry, but almost none of the "facts" you cited are correct.

 

For starters, The Beatles didn't record and release "Give Peace A Chance;" that was John Lennon & the Plastic Ono Band. Secondly, Lennon released the song in 1969 -- near the beginning of Nixon's first term and years before Nixon was reelected in November of 1972.

 

Lastly, it was "peace with honor" that Nixon promised in the 1968 race when he was running for his first term. He didn't withdraw our troops from Vietnam, however, until his second term began in 1973 -- after over four additional years of public pressure.

 

Best,

 

Geoff

[Kerouac]

I would like to point out that I am a member of "Generation Nothing" and I certainly didn't slack off or not care about my my reply to his concerns, which the OP has somehow decided my rebuttal was not worth addressing. Interesting...

[pickinatit]

 

Sorry, but almost none of the "facts" you cited are correct. For starters, The Beatles didn't record and release "Give Peace A Chance;" that was John Lennon & the Plastic Ono Band. Secondly, Lennon released the song in 1969 -- near the beginning of Nixon's first term and years before Nixon was reelected in November of 1972. Lastly, it was "peace with honor " that Nixon promised in the 1968 race when he was running for his first term. He didn't withdraw our troops from Vietnam, however, until his second term began in 1973 -- after over four additional years of public pressure. Best, Geoff

 

 

OK, I got my dates/facts wrong by confusing which Nixon run was the "Peace with Honor" theme, but my point still stands. The political movement toward ending the Vietnam war was already well on it's way BEFORE the release of "Give Peace a Chance". And when he [Nixon] actually ended up withdrawing the troops isn't relevant to the point.

[Synonym Music]

I would like to point out that I am a member of "Generation Nothing" and I certainly didn't slack off or not care about my my reply to his concerns, which the OP has somehow decided my rebuttal was not worth addressing. Interesting...

 

Well that's exactly it. He doesn't have the experience to judge this generation. He cannot recall events of this "generation nothing" from a first hand perspective in any way because he is not part of it. There are only passing observations with which to build a case.

 

I guess the uneducated truly do rule.

 

People see what they want to see. If they want to see a whole generation as having a certain trait, it's quite easy to do that. Branding an entire generation as being a certain way says far more about the speaker than it does about the generation.

 

Fair enough. It's fun catching people in their web of lies though. MUAHAHAHA.

 

[supahd]

still, where did the youth of today go? are they so apathetic they just dont care anymore? if i was young and full of cum, i would be raising more hell than anyone of this current 20something generation.

 

 

 

If your aunt had a dick she'd be your uncle..

[supahd]

 

I like the phrase "generation nothing". Alpha is a marketing genius. I still say this generation and everyone before it have still not freed themselves from the bonds of slavery. Mankind has yet to awake. The message is the same. Yelled down through the ages and ignored by a people unable to be aware. Collective critical mass is inevitable. You just need to be more patient and try enjoying yourself instead of worry about generation juicy fruit. Eventually our collective consciousness will arise above the ills you speak of. Until then, life is a heaven or a hell. The choice is yours. I choose life. And it's a damn good bargain if you ask me. I don't disagree the world is {censored}. Been there, done that. Now I'm doing a new thing. I'm trying to be that change I want to see. I don't dwell on the negative and reinforce those energies. I dwell on the positive and take an active role in the power to manifest change. Mind Over Matter.

 

 

 

All will change in 2012.

[Geoff Grace]

 

actually ended up withdrawing the troops isn't relevant to the point.

 

 

Ah, but timing means everything, especially in terms of how much progress had been made toward advancing the goal of withdrawing the troops. In 1968, the anti-war movement was mostly just a bicoastal affair and only strong enough to elicit empty rhetoric from Nixon's candidacy. (What did "peace with honor" mean anyway in terms of a timetable for withdrawal?) The riot at the Democratic convention in Chicago that year was only the beginning of the movement's appearance in the midwest. The process didn't really pick up steam there -- and elsewhere in the US -- until the 1969-1970 school year, which began on the heels of two important music events: Woodstock ("one, two, three, what are we fighting for?") and the release of "Give Peace A Chance." It was during this period that anthems for the antiwar movement flourished -- including "War" and "Ohio" -- and they fueled the fire as it spread around the country. Music was a critical part of what happened.

 

It was only when the antiwar movement matured and grew into a national movement that it became a force that commanded more than meaningless rhetoric. It was only after the anti-war movement refused to die and remained a national movement for years that its demands were finally acted upon ... in 1973.

 

And that's why the timing of events is important.

 

Best,

 

Geoff

[Beck]

 

to even of all people smashing pumpkins with their new one with songs like united states. where are these 20yo douchebags and their outrage at this inept adminstration and the molestation of the consitiution?!? musicians uslaly played a part in providing the feul for the fire in soundtracks for the protesting life, but now they are vacant as this adminstration has broken every law and turned amerika into a wasteland of {censored}. what the {censored} is going on? i watched earthlive bull{censored} and it was all old people playing... are they still supposed to carry the torch of rebellion? its so sad for me to see that the invincible youth is nowhere to be found. basically sheep of the man when they should have more than enough ammunition for their music to feed the rebellion against all that is evil with the current adminstration. im saddend by live earth today. im saddened by the youth today. bunch of {censored}ing sheep. they should be ashamed of themselves.

 

 

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[Ani]